Hi brambonius

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Hmmm; some very good and importanty point here, but I would go further...

1) why either/or, I would say both, but the second one is very important indeed and something we miss. We should pay more attention to the church fathers of the eastern orthodox sometimes...
2) I'm not John Piper, so I go with the first one..
3) primiraly restorative, and this is a very important point missed by a lot of protestants. 
4) I wouldn't frame it in either terms, but I go with your description of the second option, which reminds me of Sadhu Sundar singh and of the eastern orthodox. Very powerful paradigm shift if contemplated in combination with the first one...
5) I think there's more to it than changing minds. I would say there also is an ontological change in the universe due to the incarnation, cross, and resurrection (death, evil and sin being defeated Christus Victor-wise). But again the second option...
6) the second option, but again there's more to the subject. Maybe associated with the ontological changes I see in Christ (see 5)

I would add

7) is the scope of salvation focussed on saving single persons of on saving the cosmos as a whole
8) Is the gospel centered on the saved person or in the Reign of Jesus and the Kingdom of God. 

(these are the same comments as I made on the CA group on FB)

but thanks, these conversations are much needed!

shalom

Bram