(1147,'Buddynet02@att.net',1787,1344181867,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Buddy aka Beverly\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThis is a very timely article.  I am so appalled at what passes for Christianity today.  The republican party, i.e., the powerful and the super-wealthy, have high jacked the Christian religion. This started around 30 years ago when the \"prosperity doctrine\" began infiltrating our mainstream Christian churches.  At the same time Ayn Rand\'s novel \"Atlas Shrugged\" had a resurgence in popularity, and selfishness became not only acceptable, but actually considered Christian doctrine to many. So many of the so-called Christian Right not only resent the poor and don\'t want to pay their taxes, and especially resent their taxes going to social programs for the needy, but they feel justified and somewhat righteous about it.  Christ told his followers to render unto Caesar what is Caesar\'s, meaning we are to pay taxes, and he was all about helping the poor and the needy, so how is that attitude at all Christ like?\r\n\r\nThere are other attitudes among today\'s Christians that totally puzzle me.  A couple of my relatives \"like\" a Facebook page called something like \"Bibles, Babies, and Guns.\"  I don\'t quite get the correlation between those subjects, except for the fact that their morality doctrine fits that title.  Modern Christians, at least many of them, claim to be pro-life; they hate abortion and will do anything to safe a fetus.  Yet if a child does manage to be born into poverty, they don\'t want to pay into programs that help that child, even when it comes to free school lunches, which may be the only nutrition that he/she will get all day.  When it comes to guns, every time there\'s an election, they start worrying that gun control is going to cause their guns to be taken away from them.  And this has never been the case.  Rules and regulations regarding guns yes, but no nazis are coming to cease our hunting rifles or home protection.  And I just don\'t think the average American family really needs assault weapons.  But that\'s a part of the philosophy.\r\n\r\nThen there is war.  Today\'s Christian Right loves to support our troops, but they don\'t seem to care much about our veterans because so many of them are among the poor and needy.  The \"right\" has always hated draft dodgers, yet now Ted Nugent is okay, all American.  Why?  Because he hates President Obama.  When did that hate become okay?  \r\n\r\nThere\'s a lot of arguing going around about Chick Fil A and the owner\'s \"traditional marriage values\" and a lot of people came out to support those values in kind of a protest day.  What do we really consider traditional marriage anyway?  So many people, even within the church, are on their second or third marriages, and we seem to be okay with that.  So why are we so upset that people of the same sex want to marry?  I\'ve heard the argument that they can\'t procreate so it\'s unnatural, but do all couples marry just to procreate?  What about older couples whose childbearing days are over?  What about people who are sterile and marry anyway, even though they know they are?  What about people who just don\'t want to have children?  During the feminist days of my youth, I once heard it said that the \"Mother of the Year\" award ought to go to a sterilized woman with adopted children.  We never hear about overpopulation anymore, yet we are living with a lot of problems caused by it.  At times I wonder if more people are gay as natures way of cutting back on procreation, and we do seem to have more fertility problems than ever before which also goes along with my thought process on this.  But I digress--in my opinion, if Chick Fil A really wanted to show a Christian act, wouldn\'t it really make a statement if all the proceeds from their protest/support day went to helping the needy?\r\n\r\nThere\'s so many contradictions with Christian attitudes today and I\'ve only touched on a few; yet Christ\'s ways were so simple.  He cared so much about the \"least of them\" and said blessed are the peace makers.  He left us with three basic commandments, and if we worked on keeping those, we would come a lot closer to following him.  The commandments are \"Love your Lord, your God with all your heart\", \"Love your neighbor as you love yourself\", and \"Love one another as I have loved you.\"  Shouldn\'t we start with those before we try to force our beliefs on others?  How are we emulating Christ\'s humility with such arrogance?  It is, or at least should be, all about a heart attitude.'),(1148,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1788,1344183519,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nA very needed piece in my eyes. Thank you. \r\nI am not quite sure how to put this and maybe you can help. Correcting a child through religion, such as, \"God is hurt when you do this or that\"  or referenced wrong via Commandments. Even placing the WWJD protocol on a child does not seem right. Let the parental role be a direct relationship with the child, not a surrogate one where the Bible is the rule giver and judge. Show the child that moraity is based on caring, not a code or ideal to follow. I feel that if the child has that primary ground of knowing a loving parent, as you pointed out, placing their trust in a loving God will be more inviting.'),(1149,'jmyers@tillhecomes.org',1790,1344188239,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jeremy Myers\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nLeah and Leah, \r\n\r\nI appreciate your encouragement. The more we understand about Jesus, the more amazing He becomes, right?'),(1150,'jmyers@tillhecomes.org',1789,1344188240,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jeremy Myers\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nLiss, \r\n\r\nYes. I wanted a different word than \"following\" also, especially since \"following\" in Scripture often refers in the technical sense to active discipleship. What I am describing is something closer to passively being pulled along by Jesus. \r\n\r\nI ended up using \"following\" because I could\'t think of a different term. Any suggestions?'),(1151,'ckuniholm@verizon.net',1791,1344258628,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Carol Kuniholm\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAA starts in that same place of humility, which allows for a more genuine fellowship. While it doesn\'t function in the name of Christ, the wisdom offered is rooted in \"The Good Book\" . I\'m intrigued by the idea of AA as a model for a church. Thanks for the comment.'),(1152,'ckuniholm@verizon.net',1792,1344258787,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Carol Kuniholm\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for the encouragement!'),(1153,'ckuniholm@verizon.net',1793,1344259501,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Carol Kuniholm\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for your thoughts. I agree - there are a great many puzzling contradictions among those who want to speak for Christ on issues of the day. That contradiction is rooted in our desire to fit Jesus into our own assumptions, rather than sift those assumptions through the commands you mention: love for God, love for neighbor. This post is part of my own attempt to do some of that sifting. The topics you mention are all part of an ongoing series on my own blog.  What role do guns have in loving our neighbor? Do we believe Jesus when he says \"blessed are the peacemakers\"? If we\'re pro-life, do we get to choose which lives are worth our concern, and which are expendable? You raise some great questions that we need to be thinking,, praying, and talking about in the months between now and the November elections.'),(1154,'royalfamily12@gmail.com',1795,1344259853,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Amy Mitchell\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI hadn\'t thought about that aspect, the potentially manipulating \"God doesn\'t like when you...\" kind of threat.  We try to frame discussions of our kids\' behavior in terms of caring for others (thinking about how it would make them feel) and caring for themselves (keeping themselves safe).  I honestly can\'t imagine telling them it makes God \"sad\" when they run in the street, so why would I say that for any other inappropriate behavior?'),(1155,'a.sotojr@yahoo.com',1796,1344273602,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Alexis S.\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSo glad to have read this Greg! Something I am always asking God is to teach me how to LISTEN. Good to hear from you, I\'ve missed you! Thanks for all your help in Ascending Lights as well.'),(1156,'StrategicMonk@gmail.com',1797,1344274227,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi StrategicMonk\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you, Alexis!\n\nIt is always a pleasure to listen to you, Alexis, whether you are talking or singing.'),(1157,'terry47@bellsouth.net',1799,1344284030,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Terry Chambers\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI spent many years learning a lot about Jesus, the Bible, and the \"church\".  5-7 years ago, I got hungry to see in my lifetime, the events seen in scripture, especially the New Testament.  I have since learned that very few people seem to actually be following Jesus, so it gets difficult to find examples to spur you on.  I find people like to discuss theology, churchology, demonology, and angelology; but jesus seems and sounds shallow as I talk with them.  I Lo-o-o-o-o-og to know Jesus and for Him to know me.'),(1158,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1801,1344284111,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAmen, Terry. He truly is the desire of every longing heart, but people sometimes look for their heart\'s desire in the wrong places. It is a blessing to be on this journey with you, following Jesus. Thanks for stopping by!'),(1159,'cseebald@gmail.com',1800,1344284136,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi CatherineS\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"Men and women down through centuries found, in the Gospels and other writings of the New Testament, not something to believe in and follow, but rather Someone to believe in and follow.\"\r\n\r\nAmen!  Leah, I\'m always blessed by your sharing and the wisdom our Lord has given you.  In fact, those of us who follow Jesus are already experiencing eternal life, because we have His life in us now and it will never end.  Of course, one day the mundane, fleshly life will fall away, and then it\'ll be much more glorious when we stand in His presence -- His light.'),(1160,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1802,1344284338,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSo...is this what \"blessed to be a blessing\" means, my dear sister and friend? To be affirmed that our sharing blesses another? Rest assured you have blessed me indeed this day. Having a living Person to believe in and follow means we need not debate the things of theology, churchology, demonology, etc. our brother Terry referenced in his comment. Until we stand fully in His light, let us show forth Christ by exalting Him as THE PERSON we follow...together!'),(1161,'heathercreature@gmail.com',1798,1344298722,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Heather G\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI was part of a \"denim skirt cult\" when I was in my formative teenage years.  Even when I was older and no longer part of that group, I developed a reputation for being a really bad dresser.   At first I was insulted that christians on campus constantly told me I needed to dress more attractively, thinking they were too hung up on worldly concerns. I no longer wanted to stick to any religious rules about clothing, but I had internalized the \"look\" that said, \"don\'t look at my body.\"  All my clothes were too baggy and very unattractive, and I didn\'t know what I was doing wrong.  I blame the teachings I got when I was developing my sense of self.  I think this had to do with why I was unable to attract a spouse in my 20\'s and by the time I started figuring out that I was dressing terribly in my 30\'s, bad habits were really ingrained and it still is a fight to figure out how to dress attractively and decently.'),(1162,'jmyers@tillhecomes.org',1777,1344298843,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jeremy Myers\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for reading!'),(1163,'JSWilson3@aol.com',1803,1344314425,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi John S Wilson III\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\ngreat article Leah! Yep, following Him together, thinking I am in agreement sis, :)'),(1164,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1804,1344314668,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n:D  You know, that doesn\'t surprise me in the least John...you being in agreement. He brings unity where He brings His own \"together\". We follow better that way than we could ever do alone. May every disciple we influence surpass us in discipleship and disciple-making!'),(1165,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1806,1344344560,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you, Leah. The thing I overlooked for awhile was the all-human side of Jesus, which sort of took the form of me and Christ against the world. The message, not the people, was the only important thing. Funny to recall such a time. \r\n\r\nHe wept, he was tempted, he got angry, he was scared. His friends were very dear to him in an earthy way. The Father did the works. Very, very human...and this is divine. The divine became the maturation of the human heart and in Jesus this was fully developed. He had the real capacity to love friend and foe alike. This is to be as perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect. To follow is not to tag along but to go where Jesus went in his heart. To be as Christ was in the world is have this love.\r\n\r\nFor me, the Bible is just a guide, a set of directions, on how to realize this love. The real authority is in the direct relationship, through grace and the Holy Spirit, with Christ. This is where the power is, for the word is Christ. Doctrine is the form, not the substance, of the word. \r\n\r\nLove is the substance of the word and for that we must be hidden in Christ, completely abandoned to divine providence as the only support to our faith. It is my experience that far, far too many Christians find such radical abandon a danger to faith. \r\n\r\nIn that abandon we become just a means without ends. The moment alone is lit by the lamp unto our feet, past and future lost in darkness, relying solely on the illumination of Spirit for direction. This total trust demands relinguishing any sense of control or safety, any need for certainty or comfort. Expectations are zero.'),(1166,'inthesonlite@embarqmail.com',1805,1344346313,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jeanne S.\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThankful to God that I can follow Him together with you dear Sista\'.'),(1167,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1807,1344346580,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYo\' \"twisted sista\"?  Oh, that\'s right! One more thing I learned about following Jesus! He straightens us OUT! All things new! Love you Jeeanneee!'),(1168,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1808,1344346746,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for that lovely comment, Jerry...for bringing your piece of the puzzle, which is a Piece of the living Person we follow together. Indeed, the written word points to the Living Word and it is He we follow. Amazing how when my expectation became nothing more than that the Lord would do all things (which is itself a huge expectation) I began to see more clearly the thing he is doing. Other than that, my expectations truly are zero. Total trust, the necessary ingredient. Everything else must be stripped away until we are left with a consuming passion to \"follow\"...simply follow. Glad you are on this journey \"together\" with us. Thanks for stopping by!'),(1169,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1809,1344349844,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for thanking me, Leah. This path is quite a wondrous adventure, isn\'t it. Glad we share this beautiful road trip. (Er, no need for you to thank me for me thanking you for thanking me, unless you have nothing better to do. Lol (Translated: Lots of love).'),(1170,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1810,1344350279,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAustin...you are among \"the few, the proud\"...the people who ask the RIGHT questions! Why do we put marriage in the civil sphere at all? (It originated from the ungodly marriage of Church and State and amounts to nothing more than a form of  control over the way individuals \"pursue happiness\").  We don\'t want the State meddling in our religious affairs...until it suits our desire to control others to have it that way.'),(1171,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1811,1344350416,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nBy the way...Great job, Alise!'),(1172,'ed@inpulsearts.com',1812,1344353930,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ed\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHope your following Jesus also includes repentance. It seems like today that\'s always either put on the backburner, forgotten easily, or just ignored completely.'),(1173,'travklassen@me.com',1813,1344354788,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Travis Klassen\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nLiz,\r\n\r\nThanks for writing this. Speaking of the pieces of Christianity that are \"either put on the backburner, forgotten easily, or just ignored completely,\" I\'d say Jesus would be at the top of that list. \r\n\r\nFollowing Him with you,\r\n\r\nTravis'),(1174,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1814,1344355149,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"...more about community than about me getting into heaven – more about people than about institutions or buildings\"...Sounds like you have the things He has put in front of you on the right burners. :-) We follow together, sister. Thanks for the authenticity and sincerity shared from a beautiful heart for Jesus.'),(1175,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1815,1344355281,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSorry, Liz...about my comment posting as a reply to Ed. I should be under Travis\' comment. Don\'t know what happened there. BTW...if you\'re following Jesus, repentance seems to be a \"given\".'),(1176,'lizdyer55@gmail.com',1816,1344356064,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Liz Dyer\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nEd - I do include repentance although I seldom think of it in that term these days.  I most often think of it as a transformation of the mind as I believe that repentance is all about changing the way we think and involves a radical shift in the way we think.  \r\n\r\nRepentance has played a major part in me \"starting over\" and has required me to embrace humility at a level that I had never experienced before.  \r\n\r\nIt is an ongoing battle with my \"self\" but I try to remain humble enough to continually practice the repentance that is required to follow Jesus as I believe that following Jesus constantly involves transforming (changing) the way I think.  \r\n\r\nSo to answer your question directly:\r\n yes! repentance is included in my journey of following Jesus.'),(1177,'lizdyer55@gmail.com',1817,1344356151,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Liz Dyer\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nLeah - thanks for your kind words of encouragement!'),(1178,'lizdyer55@gmail.com',1818,1344356311,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Liz Dyer\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nTravis - I was guilty of putting Jesus on the backburner for years - it was what was modeled for me and I followed.  I think if we ever manage to keep Jesus at the top of our list the other stuff pretty much falls into place.'),(1179,'lizdyer55@gmail.com',1819,1344357149,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Liz Dyer\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI\'m just now getting around to reading the posts for the synchroblog.  Like you my perspective of what it means to follow Jesus has changed over the years and like you I assume it will continue to evolve.  I particularly liked the way you emphasized that as good and right and helpful as Christian practices can be they themselves or the practice of them is not \"following Jesus\"'),(1180,'lizdyer55@gmail.com',1820,1344357492,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Liz Dyer\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJeremy - This IS beautiful.  I have never thought about Jesus and his impact in just this way and yet I have often thought that there is something universal about the work and activity of Christ.  Is there someone (author?, theologian?, speaker?) that led you to this idea?  I would love to delve into this concept deeper.'),(1181,'lizdyer55@gmail.com',1822,1344358476,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Liz Dyer\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nCarol - Thank you for writing this.  Following Jesus is difficult and very costly and yet it remains so compelling and attractive to me that I continue to attempt to live into the way of Jesus.\r\n\r\nYou said:  \"I start here: I am a fallen, broken person, jealously loyal to my own ideas, selfishly committed to my own ways of seeing, in need of a hand of grace to help me stand free of the misguided assumptions that hold me hostage, that whisper I’m somehow of more value than those others not like me.\"\r\n\r\nI think that is a great place to start each day and so I am going to print that out and put it where I can see it and read it each morning.'),(1182,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1821,1344358476,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for stopping by and for commenting to let me know it \"resonates\" with you, Liz. Looking forward to \"following together\" with you.'),(1183,'lizdyer55@gmail.com',1826,1344379759,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Liz Dyer\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nIf I never read another word of scripture again (which won\'t be the case) I will still have probably read and studied more than most people would in two lifetimes.  I was an avid student and teacher of scripture for many years and even have a lot of scripture memorized (even the whole book of Philippians).  I think scripture is valuable and still read it at times but not on a regular schedule.  There came a point where I had made an idol out of scripture and was turning it into something that it wasn\'t meant to be.  In addition I think most people read scripture without taking original language and historical context into consideration and end up doing a lot of damage to themselves and others by not understanding the message.'),(1184,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1829,1344386823,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI understand what you mean, Liz. My husband and I taught a very thorough bible study course in prisons and churches for almost a decade. The course covers 75% of the Old Testament and 90% of the New Testament in 9 months. (The missing % of the text we\'ve studied over and over in our lifetimes as well). From childhood we were trained up in the Scriptures. I prefer the word \"accurate\" over \"inerrant\" or \"infallible\", but totally affirm the Scriptures to be the word of God (written). I do still read and study my Bible, but mostly in the form of “referencing it”, preparing to instruct someone where to find the source of a “lesson” the Lord leads us to teach, or searching out nuggets of treasure. A legalistic Bible-reading plan? Uh…no! If you are like us, you have the word memorized in large portions, but more importantly, you have the meaning committed to memory and written upon your heart. The written word is a revelation of the Living Word, not a “handy” little instruction book on how to be saved and please God. It’s the written story of God’s purpose in Creation and eternity—but only part of the story. We are living the rest of the story as we follow Jesus'),(1185,'jmyers@tillhecomes.org',1831,1344403335,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jeremy Myers\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI doubt that I have any original thoughts, and have been influenced by someone on this, but for the life of me, I cannot recall reading this idea anywhere else... Thanks for the encouragement!'),(1186,'jmyers@tillhecomes.org',1832,1344403533,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jeremy Myers\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI love the story of Peter. His betrayal of Jesus shows such hope for all of us, and not only that, the limitless love and forgiveness of Jesus. \r\n\r\nI believe that Jesus would have even forgiven Judas\' betrayal...'),(1187,'sweet_rain2012@yahoo.com',1830,1344440764,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Rain\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI stumbled across this article after someone on my FB feed linked to another one from this website.  I can\'t express everything I want to say right now, but so much of what has been said here are things that I have struggled with as well.  I\'m 39 years old, female, divorced, and truthfully I HATE navigating the dating/relationship landscape that is a part of our culture.  It seems as if no one appreciates a woman who values herself and her body and doesn\'t want to share with just anyone.  ** sigh **  I didnt think I would find myself here at this age, struggling with sexual desires that are for the most part unfulfilled, while also wanting to please God in my lifestyle choices above all else.  I\'m glad to know I\'m not the only one struggling internally with these things.'),(1188,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1833,1344451949,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI love it, Ellen! Followers need a reminder that to be salt, it calls for us to live out our holiness in Christ as a people set apart, but interacting with and loving people who are still \"worldly\", while we let them see our love for one another. We need to lay down a lot more of our own flesh and find the unity of that love among one another before Christ in us (the hope of glory) will impact the culture in a substantial way.  In his 2006 book Revolution, George Barna revealed statistics show the \"local church\" has little to NO influence on culture. If eating or not eating a chicken sandwich is how Christians think they can will a difference for the Kingdom, then this is probably the last gasp of the institutions of Western Christendom. The true Bride will rise and shine in the midst of the mayhem and take the stance of the follower...the unity of those have taken up the cross with a willingness to \"die\". Brava! Thanks for this piece of encouragement to the \"followers\".'),(1189,'sundayriversong@gmail.com',1834,1344473849,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Chang\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nnice weaving together of some pivotal texts and concepts; thanks, and peace!'),(1190,'sundayriversong@gmail.com',1835,1344473968,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Chang\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"Follow Me,\" but you gotta repudiate all those others. And I love your scriptures from John 1 and Colossians 1; thanks!'),(1191,'sundayriversong@gmail.com',1836,1344474243,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Chang\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nstarting over, and \"on any given day I would be hard pressed to even tell you where I am going\" I love this! with Jesus the future is open and the possibilities are endless...'),(1192,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1837,1344486068,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n8-)'),(1193,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1841,1344528125,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThe breaking of bread together is a covenant activity, a sharing of more than what we have for food. It becomes a sharing of who we are and \"Whose we are\". He has set a table of blessing before us and invited all to \"come\". Dare we, then, turn anyone away? As the bread and fishes were multiplied in His presence, we are sent forth into the world to multiply...to be broken, shared, poured out in His name. I love the challenge you have raised, and the joyous celebration of Christ you hold before us, Leah. By His grace, His followers will always have more than enough for everyone who wishes to partake.'),(1194,'Buddynet02@att.net',1842,1344545366,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Buddy aka Beverly\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI agree one hundred percent.  What represents Christianity today is a far cry from the Jesus I learned about as a child, the one who said to turn the other cheek, to render unto Caesar what is Caesar\'s (pay your taxes), that if someone wants your coat to give them your coat as well, and that what you do unto \"the least of them\" you also do unto me.  He said to love your Lord your God with all your heart, to love your neighbor as you love yourself, and to love one another as I have loved you.  I remember as a child not wanting to turn the other cheek or give up my possessions to another, and I don\'t think many of us do.  However, 30 years ago the \"Prosperity Doctrine\" began to infiltrate our mainstream Christian churches, while at the same time, Ayn Rand\'s \"Atlas Shrugged\" made a comeback, and somehow with the later propaganda and influence of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and Hannity, being selfish is not only acceptable, but considered Christian and right.\r\n\r\nThere is so much more I have to say about this and have in previous comments, but for now, I just want to say that Christianity to me is all about a heart attitude, and I don\'t see how wanting to save every fetus, while at the same time wanting to cut programs that help poor children who have managed to be born shows much Christian love or charity.  I also don\'t get why right-wing Christians are so pro war, when Christ said \"blessed are the peacemakers\" or why they support our troops but leave our veterans lacking and often homeless.  I could go on and on about this and I have in the past, but I would leave it with the thought that maybe some things that represent Christianity today have nothing at all to do with following Christ and that maybe we need to examine our hearts.  Are we really being Christ like, or are we justifying our own selfishness and prejudices???'),(1195,'sundayriversong@gmail.com',1843,1344554480,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Chang\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"...there is only One Table!\" Amen!'),(1196,'deliverance77@hotmail.com',1845,1344581766,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Gabe\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHe who believes in the Son of God is born of Him and he who loves the Father loves the child born of Him.  By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.  For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not burdensome.  1 Jn 5:1-3.  Do not forsake the assembling of yourselves together as is the habit of some.  Heb. 10:25'),(1197,'deliverance77@hotmail.com',1844,1344581767,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Gabe\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDoes repentance include believing the Gospel?  For we who profess to believe in a resurrected Lord are to proclaim Him with not only our deeds but with what we preach.  Do you preach a resurrected, sinner saving, grace giving, all loving, but justice enduring Christ?  For with justice comes love but with justice comes wrath for those who do not obey the Gospel (2 Thess. 1:8, 1 Pet. 4:17).  \"Many will say to Me on that day . . . (Mt. 7:22).'),(1198,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1850,1344614181,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"...raw and real\"...That sounds like something a something twelve assorted \"ordinary\" types (including a zealot and a tax collector--natural enemies!) would relate to, Glenn. He\'ll never leave your sight...just don\'t close your eyes or get distracted by the side shows along the way. Boldly follow...and be blessed as He shows you stranger places still. :) Thanks for giving us something rich to consider today.'),(1199,'l3ahmr1@windstream.net',1851,1344614595,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Randall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n...wishing I could edit that \"a something\"....8-)'),(1200,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1852,1344632416,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nOnce again, Leah, an inspired and iinsrtuctive read, well-delivered. \r\n\r\nJust a few reflections meant for crtique:\r\nJesus said, \"...and greater works than these shall you do.\" Here is my question: WWJDIHWY? If we are expected to do \"greater things,\" we could ask \"What would Jesus do if he were you?\" Isn\'t it acient wisdom that the sigh of a great teacher is for the student to surpass him or her. It appears quite evident that Jesus is expecting quite extraordinary things from  us.'),(1201,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1853,1344634345,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nFor some reason, the above comments self-posted. To continue...\r\nAnd shouldn\'t the popular WWJD be more suitably phrased WDJD, What Did Jesus Do?\r\nIt is not following Jesus to feed the hungry, comfort the sick, or clothe the poor; these are incidental. For me, Jesus did one and only one thing his entire life: placed his entire being in his Father\'s hands. It is from this core that all else was manifest. \r\n\r\nThis is the one and only action, if we are a follower of Christ. This is to pick up our cross, for in this total surrender we forsake all worldliness. Self-control is the will to allow Spirit to take over, to place ourselves under God\'s direction, strength, wisdom, love, and control. In doing this \"living sacrifice\" continually, the false self we have created is gradually replaced with the image and likeness of God, or who we were meant to be before the foundations of the world were laid.\r\n\r\nTo be the light of the world is perfect humility, the pure integrity of being who we were meant to be. And humiliity is the only virtue, for it is then the father does the works.'),(1202,'glennhager1@gmail.com',1854,1344642995,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Glenn Hager\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nLeah - Thank you for the blessing!'),(1203,'sundayriversong@gmail.com',1855,1344703032,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Leah Chang\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nstay, watch, observe... and sometimes find yourself in strange places--this is so beautifully basic, it\'s almost surprising!'),(1204,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1858,1344722723,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.   God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things...to nullify the things that are... \"\r\n\r\nTo follow Christ is radically different than conventional wisdom and contrary to worldly values. When it appears I am fitting in snugly, looking the pillar of my community and not in some way foolish, I best re-examine my motives. As a recovering alcoholic, I think God had me and my ilk in mind to shame the wise and strong.'),(1205,'glennhager1@gmail.com',1859,1344743877,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Glenn Hager\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nLeah -  Jesus is very surprising!'),(1206,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1860,1344743879,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWhat do I mean by “foolishness”?\r\n\"Take no thought for your life, what you may eat and drink...\r\nbe a living sacrifice...\r\nturn the other cheek...\r\ngo the extra mile...\r\nlove your enemy.\"\r\n.\r\nWhat I mean by “foolishness” is a life radically different than conventional wisdom and contrary to worldly values, and that is to live on earth as if we are already in heaven.  \r\nIt is being separated out from our self-interest and desires in order to be in loving service only to the will of God in caring for other souls.  It is no longer thinking of ourselves, others, and situations from a worldly point of view.'),(1207,'glennhager1@gmail.com',1861,1344744060,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Glenn Hager\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJerry - That\'s a great insight and it caused me to feel better about myself, too.'),(1208,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1862,1344744066,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"Know only Christ among you.\"\r\n\r\nThere is no virtue in what we do,\r\nonly in what we are:\r\nChrist-centered.\r\n\r\nWe do not live by standards\r\nbut through the standard-bearer:\r\nChrist.\r\n\r\nWe do not have a code of ethics,\r\nwe have no values or scruples\r\n--only Christ...in whom \r\nwe live and move and have our being.\r\n\r\nFaith in Christ \r\n(not in creeds or statements of belief)\r\nexpressed through love\r\nis all that counts.\r\n\r\nIt is not up to us even to direct our steps;\r\nit is by a lamp unto our feet we live\r\n--the illumination of the Holy Spirit--\r\nthat sheds just enough light\r\nfor this very moment we are in\r\nto be a means without ends.'),(1209,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1863,1344745204,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nChrist did not die on the cross; his life was given as sacrifice many years before. \r\n\r\nWhat must die is self: all our attachments to image, control, safety, comfort, certainty, knowing, supports for faith, worldly treasure, or in other words all possessions, which is whatever we look to claim as \"mine\" or \"I.\" To \"pick up the cross\" is to turn from such attachments. To \"sell all your possessions\" is to genuinely free in your heart of any attachment.\r\n\r\nAllowing this self to die, the one we have created, shaped out of earthly gold to honor in neglect of what God created us to be, his spitting image and likeness, is in the end a mercy killing, an act of euthanasia, a good death...although it will not usually feel that way. Through its death, the new indwelling spirit gains room to mature and grow.'),(1210,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1864,1344745694,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you, Glenn, it oddly makes me feel better about myself as well. God has a knack for making the topsy-turvy into good. Paradox appears to be the native tongue of truth.'),(1211,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1865,1344746872,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThe thoroughly unsettling and profoundly dangerous nature of radical grace is impossible to argue, is well beyond reason or logic to convince, yet is basic, the start, to \"follow Christ.\" Square One. All supports to faith--doctrine, tradition, the Bible itself, and so forth--is preparation for the launching pad of Square One. \r\n\r\nFollowing does not mean tag along--or acting and imitating, modeling his life of giving with the haunting, WWJD. This is not even close. We are called TO BE as Christ was in the world, not copy his works. He had none. The Father did them all. Jesus did one thing and one thing only: he fully surrendered to the will and direction of his Father. Diligently studying the Scriptures with the finest methods and grandest intents does not solve or resolve in itself the question of BECOMING; that is only for the heart through a surrender to grace. Square One.'),(1212,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1866,1344747263,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWhy strive for perfection, when to be still is to know God. All self-improvement is a distraction. To become the image and likeness of God is a matter of reduction, not accumulation.'),(1213,'glennhager1@gmail.com',1868,1344801531,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Glenn Hager\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI agree!'),(1214,'lynnfishman@ymail.com',1871,1344895076,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Lynn Fishman\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for this important reminder Greg. It is true that we often talk too much and listen too little. I think you can call listening a form of compassionate communication. We relax, stay present and really focus on what the other person is saying. Body gestures  and  facial expressions are also important clues as to whether we are paying attention or not. It has always been my personal philosophy that everyone has something to offer, if you take the time to listen and  show appreciation that the other person is sharing their time with you.'),(1215,'StrategicMonk@gmail.com',1872,1344896778,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi StrategicMonk\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you, Lynn.\n\nI agree that everyone has something to offer, and like your idea of \"compassionate communication.\" It is a privilege to listen to people tell me their stories, and an honor to have people listen to me tell mine.'),(1216,'jhi29@hotmail.com',1874,1344959784,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jill\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSarita, I appreciate this very much. Just know that I relate to this, and to you. Walking the path of Christ, and of Siddhartha. Yes I too believe we are always asked by our spirit to walk the road less traveled and often reviled...why? Because no one really wants to walk this lonely, isolating path. But it is the path to our Highest Self which can be fear-inspiring. And fear stagnated becomes intolerance. \r\nSometimes we are called on to walk a solitary journey, but we soon come to find hundreds, millions of other people called to do the same. And that journey always leads us exactly where we can best serve the Highest Good. Peace to you, Jill'),(1217,'jhi29@hotmail.com',1875,1344959784,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jill\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYes, and I have come to believe that I would not be able to be a healed, whole, \'good\' person and citizen of this planet if I didn\'t have Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and  Shamanism informing my life. I\'m sure there\'s more but I haven\'t had time for all of it yet! :)'),(1218,'Ssaturnine@gmail.com',1873,1344959784,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray C\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYou had me following you, agreeing with you until it was stated that you would want to trade off one authoritarian religion for another. How is there a difference between Christians and Moslems? They both abhor the infidel, the homosexual, those unlike them. What is it that you are trying to do? I left Christianity when I realized that when you read the theology of the Westboro Baptist Church and realize they have a highly, nay, ugly but cogent interpretation of the Bible and that\'s why they do what they do; it\'s not out of pure spite but is based on Scripture, then it solidified my forever separation from the religion of Christianity. John Shore may be able to twist the scriptures around to make it sound like Beatles song: all you need us love, but that simply is not exactly what overall gist if the Bible teaches. Don\'t forget Revelation! Jesus is coming back full of anger and bloodlust.'),(1219,'pamhogeweide@gmail.com',1876,1344961603,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Pam Hogeweide\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGreat post Jennifer. LOVE U2...in fact, I just went to my first U2charist.  Have you heard about these?  I thought it would be ridiculously cheesy, and it was a wee little bit--just a little bit---but it was so good for my soul.  The music, the lyrics,  the mixture of prayer and response.  So good.\r\n\r\nI am trying to imagine you in all black and looking all emo.  Hard to imagine!!'),(1220,'cluckforme@gmail.com',1877,1344973466,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi clucky one\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\'and what exactly is he asking me to leave?\'\r\n\r\ni think he\'s asking you to leave yourself (your ego) and the idea that you are separate--which it sounds as though you have already done:  \'we are all part of each other and there is no separation.\'  \r\n\r\nif you feel that you need to \'leave\' even MORE of some residual part of yourself by becoming something that never even resembled you, maybe it would be worth trying to understand why that feeling is so strongly held in you?  \r\n\r\nas you say, there is no romanticism in the leaving.  we don\'t leave to become \'better,\' we leave to become more ourselves (my opinion, anyway).  we leave because we are somehow convinced that there is something more satisfying out there than what we\'ve found so far.  and we\'re \'right\'.  \r\n\r\ni think it\'s when i realize that i am not my own, but that i am deeply embedded in and linked to the \'whole\', that i find my true place.  it\'s when i leave the idea that i am \'right\' and accept the belief that i don\'t actually know for sure, but i\'m still going with it, that i am on the path for home.'),(1221,'nancy.franson@yahoo.com',1878,1344981344,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Nancy Franson\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWhy, oh why, is there no retro photo included with this post? Cause that would have been so cool.\r\n\r\nHaving grown up in a church which routinely held bonfires on which we backslidden youth could cast Satan\'s music into the fiery flames, your story just makes me so happy. And God bless the juice ladies.'),(1222,'nursekells@verizon.net',1879,1344981345,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Kells\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nOh Jen...we had such good times at Club &lt;3  You really captured the essence of &quot;our&quot; lives that we did indeed police vigilantly LOL  We really were trying to find our own way, claiming to not follow others yet, yup, we did, sort of.  But we ended up following the Right One &lt;3'),(1223,'nursekells@verizon.net',1880,1344984220,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Kells\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI have many photos of Jen from that era but alas, I am forbidden from posting them on the interwebs!'),(1224,'Tequestabrian@gmail.com',1881,1344996837,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Brian\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSarita,\r\n\r\nI know your decision was not an easy one. It is important to follow Love where Love leads you. Recently, I found out that a friend of mine I knew in college (we also both entered different Seminaries to study for the catholic priesthood) left the catholic church and became a Suni Muslim. When he told me why, I felt sad but I understood. He left because he no longer found any sense of belonging in the church. Love has grown cold; the fire has dimmed.\r\n\r\nSome years back God struck my faith at its feet of clay. I lost everything I ever believed and for a month endured the agony of not knowing if there was a God or even who s/he was. When the Lord came back to me he spoke his name in my soul and gave me the gift of a real faith; a relationship with him.\r\n\r\nWe must walk where Love leads us and surrender to his ways... I wish you well on your jourey'),(1225,'sarita.reikilove@gmail.com',1882,1344997571,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi saritabakerbrown\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJerry. To take any scriptural text literally outside of textual critcism is to open the door to fundamentalism. My post has more to do with the wave  of christian cultural apathy toward the blatant bigotry demonstrated daily. For example, my family and I attended a inter-faith memorial service for our slain Sikh kindred in my hometown. About 100 attended, half of whom were Sikhs. Had seven people been slaughtered at a Baptist Church nearby, the entire football stadium would have been filled with shouts of conspiracy and perhaps the burning down of a mosque for afters.\nYes, that crowd might have been fundamentalists. But my question is, where were the liberal christians at the Sikh memorial? There should have been hundreds if us. \nBut se don\'t care enough or identify enough with our Muslim/Sikh/ Hindu/ Sufi kin to show up, grieved and apalled.'),(1226,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1883,1345038338,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThe Adagio In G Minor does the same for me: no words, a deeper magnitude of meaning, drawing soul to the language of spirit. It is a cradle to grave poignancy of sound, all ups and down, wins and loses harmonically redemptive, a  contemplative prayer of simple being. Joy and sorrow seem so intimately intertwined, almost one, that the strings of the violin are the instrument of life. This is Jesus in Gethsemane, what played in his heart. \r\n\r\nLove your writing style and what you to share. This line is my favorite: \"I wanted a faith that let me engage in culture to find the redemptive.\" Volumes! The Jesuits gave me a great education, exposed to everything, some of which many Christians would happily burn. But truth was in there, if one had the eyes to see. What I see in your piece is the dual nature of radical grace: the great danger to and great freedom of a total reliance on the Holy Spirit.'),(1227,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1884,1345039665,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGreat piece. The question of real freedom is huge and its pitfalls numerous. We are told that “the truth will set us free”: but from what and for what and how is this done?\r\n\r\nPerhaps if any future ecumenical efforts concentrated solely on clearly defining the exact nature of freedom, Christendom would finally be of One Faith. For me, understanding the exact nature of our freedom in Christ reveals precisely how to follow Christ. The path would be straight and the narrow gate flung open wide. \r\n\r\nA well-known Christian defined freedom this way: “It is not the right to do what we want but the ability to do what we ought.”  Sounds good, yet it overlooks a fundamental truth of the New Covenant: we have been given a new nature that desires God.  Our wants will be His oughts, only if we fully depend upon the spirit within.  If we do not depend on this spirit within, which desires after God, we will be dependent on the carnal use of our effort and obey out of duty, not joy.'),(1228,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1885,1345041724,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThe use of rules to keep us from worldliness is carnal, for like the law it is consciousness of sin. Restraints entice rebellion, a perpetual temptation. Any \"ought\" is  in service to soul, not spirit. Freedom is in \"want to\" and not \"ought to. Hidden in Christ, what is commanded is the desire of our new spirit. It comes from within, by grace, not from without, by effort to obey standards. \"Turning the other cheek\" comes from the muscle of joy, a delight in mercy. \r\n\r\nThe principles given to us by Christ are meant to be revelatory, not regulatory, their purpose to expose and help us realize both the emptiness of worldly treasures and the faults within us that make for attachments to them. It is light to reveal the dark reaches within us and offer these up for healing. \"Dying to self.\"  This is a continual practice, putting these principles before personalities (both our own and that of others). To me, this is part of picking up our cross. Yet all that we truly sacrifice is that which is keeping us from our greatest freedom and deepest joy.\r\n\r\nNonattachment to image, to prosperity, to success, to failure, to certainty, to comfort, to safety, to control, to knowing, to reward, to punishment, to acceptance, to belonging, to all that is not Eternal. To live on earth as if if already in heaven is the freedom we find in Christ.'),(1229,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1886,1345043110,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGod chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.   God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things...to nullify the things that are...\"\r\n\r\nI so relate to your feelings on this matter. To say Christian in this country is steadily becoming a synonym for hate and intolerance and Right Wing politics. It infers being a combatant against Science and reasonable thought. The automatic sneer that came from non-Christians was for these characteristics, not a \"reckless\" love. I searched for something new to call myself and meanwhile offered quick explanations that I was not one of \"those Christians.\" My efforts were not effective. \r\n\r\nThen in the middle of your article something startling happened: I asked myself did Jesus suffer ridicule, torture and death for the right judgment of others? What others may think of Christians, and today rightly so, is not changed by abandoning Christ. That what many may think of me just by the label Christian'),(1230,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1887,1345043859,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSorry, I accidentally posted. To  continue...\r\nThat what many may think of me just by the label of Christian is inconsequential. Why should I care about my image? To identify with Muslims may be to identify with \"the least of these,\" yet it also means to indict those Christians who are living as Christ lived. Is it right to abandon or condemn them? Suddenly, by the vocal wrong-headedness of some Christians, suffering with the \"least of these\" is to identify as Christian. Unless I continue to stand for the love of Christ, what good is standing for anything else upon which I confer righteousness? I do not choose sides in this struggle, for I see that as worldliness: I stay centered in Christ.'),(1231,'sarita.reikilove@gmail.com',1888,1345047615,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi saritabakerbrown\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you, Brian. I am sure that your friend appreciates the fact that you accepted his decision, now perhaps you could share faith stories with him to understand what fire he experienced as you did in your own epiphany! Blessings to you brother.'),(1232,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1889,1345052048,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi gerard lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nA most wonderful piece of writing, thank you.\r\nI have read a number of Rohr\'s book each morning as a contemplative practice with a close friend. Being a Recovered Alcoholic, I especially liked Breathing Underwater. What AA demonstrates is a Spirit of Action as a way of life rather than a System of Belief. The belief will only be realized (\"made aware of manifest\") through experience in the world, as you pointed out. I act my way into right thinking, not think my way to right action. This demands risk. God is spelled D-A-R-E.\r\n\r\nI feel the same way as concerns worshiping Jesus: when Peter was motivated by this, Jesus said, \"Get behind me, Satan.\" We are TO BE as Christ was in the world, not adore as Christ was in the world. There is no WWJD? to ask. WDJD is the question, What did Jesus do? Jesus did one and only one thing: totally surrendered to the direction and strength of his father. He did act on his beliefs, values, and standards; he allowed by the power of spirit God to act through him with love. He never had to ask himself, What would Jehovah do? And if Jesus said we would do \"greater works,\" did he ever ask what he would do if he were you? \r\n\r\nTwo signs about the Church at the End Times: a) the love for many will grow cold; b) there will be much complaint. Yet this seems to be presently standardized practice, as if the very role of the Church. Richard Rohr also talks a great deal about Restorative Justice over Retributive Justice, or over what is the norm of the world and some Christians. \r\n\r\nMany Christians look to improve themselves, make themselves a better person, in order to have a better relationship with Christ, yet the self must die daily. For me, it is more about reduction of this self we have created in order to allow the new spirit in us room to grow. There is nothing to improve about self and God cares nothing for this self we have created, for therein is the source of all our earthly woes. There is one thing and one thing only we can or need to improve: our conscious contact with God. \r\n\r\nWhoa, sorry, I am getting way too preachy. I much prefer your framework, Kathy; you talk human and that is what people need most: a human Christ.'),(1233,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1890,1345054218,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi gerard lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nCorrection: where I say \"He did act on his beliefs...\" I meant to write \"He did NOT act on his beliefs...\" Knowing God through love is not a belief in God. Love is our deepest knowledge of truth.'),(1234,'albowie83@gmail.com',1891,1345063201,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ashley Bowie\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJerry, I think you aptly demonstrate the nature of living within the tension. We don\'t have a choice in one thing. We are still human, our nature is still flawed. while many of us choose to live according to the spirit, there is still a battle with the flesh. And this is how it is to remain until Christ\'s return. acting out of fearful obedience, or joyful submission is a war within the self that we will continue to wage until we are made perfect. that is until the effects of the curse are not just paid for in christ, but also obliterated when God makes all things new. Until then, we submit, we obey, we behave, decide, fail and succeed all under the grace of an ever loving and glorious God.'),(1235,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1892,1345230270,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi gerard lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI am curious as to the substance of your metamorphosis, for it appears that what moved you to isolation in the wilds and was the source for your book is unchanged, and as you have returned to isolation, it seems appropriate to ask what is the nature of the transformation?  \r\n\r\nThe pull of my soul has always been strongest toward isolation, or the term today of solitude or stretched to contemplative. In fact, usually much effort is needed to engage in simple conversations with friends. More later, gotta run.'),(1236,'shanenomads@yahoo.com',1893,1345231051,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Shane Crash\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGerard,\r\nWhile I do still require the quiet contemplative periods that I can only find in the wild, my life and worldview have changed dramatically. The biggest difference being my ability to live without considering suicide. Initially, I struggled to sustain the will to continue living, fortunately I\'ve learned to be content and productive as time has passed. So many positive things have come from my transformation, a more positive worldview, contentment, peace of mind, etc. I was quite despondent when I first relocated to the cabin in Paris.'),(1237,'Yoel212@aol.com',1894,1345331329,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Charlotte Hinderliter Ferris\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI\'m a year behind in this conversation started in 2011, but I found many of the  posts so  compelling I couldn\'t resist joining even with the risk of being too late to be relevant.  \r\n\r\nIt\'s curious to me, Melody, you support the feminine voice yet exhort Marlene not to use her \"angry voice\" because when you use yours it usually isn\'t heard. You support this strategy evoking the example of Jesus who rarely got angry. This baffles me. While I agree angry voices seem to shut down many conversations, especially when used by women within a patriarchal system, I might imagine Jesus communicating on this topic with an intensity offensive to polite society. I\'m wondering how often we, including myself, collude with the oppressors of the feminine voice by using voices devoid of anger? We prefer women in the Christian culture to remain silent, even when we use our words. Dressing our anger with politically correct restraint may give us an audience, but is there a time when we need to use our angry voices because it is the right thing to do? Just because we have earned an audience by our discipline to soften our anger in our speech, have we lost our voice for the sake of being heard?'),(1238,'ant00lill@internode.on.net',1895,1345413928,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ant\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHi Sarita and what a lovely name. \r\n\r\nI too left the church - I was going mad with what I was growing into and what the church believed.  It was a duality that I could not cope with. It was clear that it was going to be my problem not the church\'s. \r\n\r\nReading your story I was heartened by your bravery and your conviction. I guess my only concern is that for a person in your postion, it may be possible to develop a noble martyr complex. Even so much of what you said resonates with me. I no longer am an adherent of any one belief or God - The lamps are different but the light is the same-Rumi. I see that there is danger in all religions to become fundamentalistic and yet all religions can provide some truths to follow.  I am learning that truth is not absolute and I am discovering my truth in everything.  The search for truth is often a search for certainty where there is none . An illusion. But I am still a spiritual person and I will grow and walk my journey, wherever that takes me.  Thank you for sharing yours - you have inspired me and shown me a another path I had not considered and for that I am grateful.'),(1239,'ant00lill@internode.on.net',1896,1345506956,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ant\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nOh and I believe that what most of us are here for is to connect deeply with one another via the golden rule, kindness, compassion, love.'),(1240,'raeleneroth@yahoo.com',1897,1345509492,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Raelene\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAlthough I might see it from a different perspective, I enjoyed reading your post.  \r\n\r\nNearly every woman I know has read, or is currently reading this book (and that\'s not an exaggeration).  Personally, I don\'t see anything wrong with someone reading this type of book, and I actually think it can be a healthy read for some people.  The real question for me was why are so many women drawn to it?  Is it because they are missing something?  Maybe because they don\'t feel comfortable being open about it because any time they\'ve been honest about sex, they paid the consequences from the other person\'s reaction?  Maybe because it feels naughty?  Or is it simply that it\'s fun to read something we would never do ourselves?...\r\n\r\nSo I asked many women who\'ve read the book, \"what draws you in to the book?\" and it opened up some awesome, honest, vulnerable dialogue.  Had I told them the reasons they probably shouldn\'t read the book, I would have missed out on vulnerable dialogue these women were willing to have when in a safe environment for such a discussion.  \r\n\r\nPersonally, I think more relationships need to explore sexual experiences and for one of the women I know, this book probably saved her relationship because it sparked something in her that her partner simply didn\'t naturally spark in her.  I don\'t think it\'s a sin.  They have an amazing relationship and they are faithful, in love, and together for a lot longer than most couples I know.  However, many people have psychological, physical, emotional, and neurological mysteries that I believe are human conditions that we can\'t always explain.  So, what might be wrong for one person could be the right prescription for someone else.\r\n\r\nAnd then another question comes to my mind: why do women put so much pressure on a man to fulfill her every sexual need?  In the case of my friend, this book sparked something in her that her man couldn\'t provide, and in return it caused her to consider being more sexually adventurous with him, and he was so stunned (in a good way) that he naturally felt more confident being naked with her, and the end result is that they can\'t stop having sex, now.  Based on this case study, I can\'t judge the book, negatively.'),(1241,'jb@thriven.org',1898,1345510916,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jonathan Brink\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYou should write a post and share your experience and perspective on this.  Sounds like you have a ton to offer.'),(1242,'jordanhageman@gmail.com',1899,1345519145,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jordan Hageman\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nRaelene, thanks for your reply. I love how you open dialogue with women who read this book by asking them what drew them to the book in the first place. I think that\'s great. \r\n\r\nWhat troubles me about the hoopla surrounding this book is that many women are turning to this book as an answer to their sexual frustration. I can see how it would do that—short term. The book would create desire in people that they can then act out with the person they are in relationship with. But what about long-term? What will they have to turn to next once the passion fades again? \r\n\r\nI believe that God created sex to be full of passion and my question is why are we turning to erotic novels to fix what God created? Why not turn to God? I believe that He alone is the ultimate healer of our emotional, mental, physical, spiritual and sexual defects and, if we let Him, He can provide wholeness in our sexual lives. Some people may think that is a whacked out concept...God having interest in our sex lives...I can see the headlines now :) But for those of us who want to love the Lord with all our minds, souls, hearts and strength then I think this is a legitimate question. \r\n\r\nThanks again for your comment and point of view. I agree with Jonathan (above). You should write a post and share your experience and perspective. Would love to read it!\r\n\r\nJordan'),(1243,'jordanhageman@gmail.com',1900,1345520030,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jordan Hageman\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for this beautiful post.'),(1244,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1901,1345521119,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDelusional! Your hyperbolic assessment of Islam is sad,  a romantic attempt to make it acceptable. It will not work. The majority of Christians seem ready for another Crusade.'),(1245,'marilyngardner5@gmail.com',1902,1345554289,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Marilyn Gardner\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you so much for these words Jordan.'),(1246,'marilyngardner5@gmail.com',1903,1345554701,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Marilyn Gardner\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHi Jerry - thanks for the comment. It\'s precisely because there is often a \"crusade\" like mentality that we wrote the article. As someone raised in Pakistan I have no illusions. I could have chosen to write about my father being beaten up by Muslims when I was 6 years old, or  my mom and I being surrounded by a crowd of men three feet thick in a village in Pakistan. I (we) chose to not write those stories this time, but write  what we learned from the majority of our friends as we watched them work out a different faith.  It\'s not a matter of making it acceptable - whether we like it or not Islam is a major world religion, and there are things that are inexcusable in the Muslim world, things that horrify Muslims themselves. This article was from a perspective not often heard in the western church - a perspective that attempts to build bridges. Jesus was not afraid to engage or dialogue and this was an attempt to engage.'),(1247,'raeleneroth@yahoo.com',1904,1345561516,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Raelene\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMaybe I\'ll write a post, then. : )  In the meantime...\r\n\r\n\"Why not turn to God?\"  I hear ya.  That is the ideal objective...and one that I treasure; but, there is a large population of women who don\'t wake up thinking, \"my husband hasn\'t touched me for years and when he does, it does nothing for me.  Let me pray.\" Ideally, God is exactly where the answers are, but sometimes it takes something else--in our own language--that leads us there.  \r\n\r\nMaybe this book is written in a language and context that is a familiar language for some women.  Whereas, maybe the Bible, prayer, etc. is a \"foreign\" language to them.  If a women is drawn to an erotic novel, the very mention of God (had I brought it up) would most likely steer them away, or cause them to feel shameful.  What if God positioned this book in the right spot for some women to pick up and read because he knew it would lead them to comfortably talk to me about it and then it opens up the environment for comfortable dialogue?  In those kind of moments, I would never mention God because it would most likely close the conversation.  But weeks after I had these conversations with these women, they asked me some questions, one being, \"Why are you so comfortable talking about sex?\"  And it gave me the opportunity to say, \"because God gave us this gift and it\'s a freedom I cherish, and one that I have no shame.\"  They were more open to talking about God in this moment than any other moment.  My point being, sometimes what might appear to be so wrong, might be the very thing that opens up needed conversations.  Sometimes it leads to God.  Sometimes it doesn\'t. \r\n\r\nEven though it could potentially just be a short-term solution to sexual frustrations, I think it goes deeper than that.  There are more discussions among women talking about sex and their frustrations since this book that I think it\'s awesome.  It\'s healthy and therapeutic for them to get it off their chest. I choose not to stop that conversation, even if the initial objective was to find an out through erotic reading.  I think I tend to take this approach to most things in my life (just letting people be exactly who they are and comfortably expose their brokenness) because as people feel safe in that, they reveal exactly what they need.  Then, when I want to share  my relationship with God, and way of life, I can plug that in when I recognize it wouldn\'t be a foreign language for them.'),(1248,'jordanhageman@gmail.com',1905,1345563050,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jordan Hageman\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHi Raelene, I hear you. All your points are valid when talking to women who do not know God and know what His plan is for a healthy sexual relationship. This book does create a lot of great dialogue as you have experienced first hand. \r\n\r\nWhen I wrote my article it was for the church—for the people who are reading this book who know God\'s truths. God wants us to cast all our cares upon Him. God wants our lives to be above reproach and not cause others to stumble. It causes questions in my heart when I hear of Christians reading this book. I know for myself that I shouldn\'t read this book because it wouldn\'t help my marriage at all, it would harm it and I know a lot of women who find this true for them as well. \r\n\r\nI  believe you don\'t have to read the book to have the dialogue with people. I have the conversations myself. And when the appropriate moments comes up in conversation I tell them I won\'t read the book and why. I too try to foster an atmosphere of love, acceptance and non-judgement when talking to people but I don\'t have to read erotic novels or watch porn in order to make other people feel they can talk to me. \r\n\r\nI hear your heart. The typical, modern church has not exactly fostered an atmosphere where people can be broken and vulnerable without receiving condemnation and I challenge the church in that area as well. God accepts people just as they are and we need to do the same. But we who profess that Jesus Christ is Lord also need to be aware that at some point God will want us to point the same broken people to Him, to tell them of His love and His desires to heal them and of His amazing Grace. Our lives should glorify Him, our conversations should glorify Him, what we read and watch should glorify Him. \r\n\r\nLoving the dialogue, Raelene! Thank you.\r\n\r\nJordan'),(1249,'raeleneroth@yahoo.com',1906,1345578718,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Raelene\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI love the dialogue, too.  Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.  I completely understand your points.  And you\'re absolutely correct that believers in Christ don\'t need to practice the things of unbelievers to create a comfortable environment. \r\n\r\nI think, for me, the challenge is, when attempting to lead unbelievers to God, how do we determine what is \"glorifying\" Him, in order to lead an unbeliever in the \"right\" direction.  Although scripture can clarify it to a degree, I say degree because it\'s still interpretation/translation/perspective/specific time in history, etc....and how that translates in today\'s world is not simple.  \r\n\r\nI get so stumped by the awesome questions and rebuttal from non-believers that I end up saying, \"I don\'t know the truth.  You don\'t know the truth.  Nobody truly knows the truth.  We can only have faith that what we\'re reading and researching was interpreted accurately and when in prayer with God, he will place the truth on your heart, mind, and soul.  Regardless of how strange it might be to believe certain stories in the Bible, I know for a fact, what I\'ve experienced in my own life, God was there.  You will know it.  And if I\'m wrong, I lost nothing.  If I choose a different belief system, I lose eternal life and much more.\"\r\n\r\n(I\'ve read many books that would be on the \"bad\" list of many other Christians.  And honestly, I wouldn\'t change that and I\'m thankful I don\'t feel shame about it.  If it\'s impacted my life negatively, I haven\'t noticed.  I read my Bible just as much.  A part of me seems to enjoy the well-rounded perspective because I feel I can naturally engage a variety people with differing perspectives.  I suppose I look at it as research.)'),(1250,'raeleneroth@yahoo.com',1907,1345581616,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Raelene\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for sharing your experiences.  I only have an imagination when it comes to understanding other cultures (as a day-to-day lifestyle) because I have not experienced it first-hand like you have.  \r\n\r\nA friend and I had a conversation about this very topic.  He plays basketball, globally, and spent a lot of time in other countries.  He previously despised Muslims.  He was partnered up with a roommate during sports travel and they became very close friends.  My friend shared how he has never been treated with so much love, respect, honor, and with an incredibly authentic approach that he knew he would be friends for life with this other man.  His new friend showed him around everywhere, made sure he had everything he needed in an unfamiliar country, introduced him friends, and frequently spoke about love and loyalty being the core of his life.  My friend said he has never met anyone so generous.  After some time, they were given a day off from basketball, so they roamed the area and finally got a chance to have dinner in a restaurant, and the man he met immediately kneeled down in prayer, in public, in front of everyone, without hesitation.  My friend asked him, \"Are you Muslim?\"  And he said, \"yes.\"\r\n\r\nTo this day, they are close friends and they discuss religion and belief systems.  Neither one is trying to conform the other.  They are simply trying to create that bridge you mentioned.  My friend told me, \"I don\'t know even one Christian who would kneel down in prayer, in front of everyone, in a public place, without hesitation for the love of God, so I respect his dedication to his beliefs, even if they are different than mine.\"'),(1251,'marilyngardner5@gmail.com',1909,1345649873,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Marilyn Gardner\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks so much for sharing this story Raelene. It\'s a perfect picture of relationships changing us - holding fast to our beliefs, yet ever-willing to respect,love and learn.'),(1252,'aleikenberry@yahoo.com',1910,1345651223,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Austin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI agree, when that level of dualism is proposed that we have a problem. We shouldn\'t view one as intrinsically evil to be escaped, and the other as intrinsically good to be escaped to. We should rather have the perspective of living from the one  perspective into the other. Just as God reached from heaven into creation and from the holy into the profane in the incarnation, we should seek to be Christ-like in the same way. We should seek to be the holy and the eternal impacting the material and the profane toward that goal. There is a dichotomy because there is a holy and a profane and God demands holiness. There is an eternal and a temporal and we are told to store up treasures in heaven where moths and rust do not destory. The problem is when we seek to escape the one rather than impact it for God.'),(1253,'jason@thecentersurry.com',1911,1345653719,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jasonwiedel\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for your comments Austin. I believe we can go farther than living from one reality into the next. I believe that we should be living in both at the same time, actually  that we are making the two become one.\r\n\r\nWhen Jesus said that \"the Kingdom of God is at hand\" He was not speaking of a distant reality, but of a way of existence that was coming into the midst of His hearers right NOW. Impacting the people of the world so that they can one day go to heaven is still accepting a level of dualism that I do not believe Scripture promotes. We are to be people who are bringing the Kingdom of God to earth, starting the work of new creation, which Jesus will complete when He returns and brings heaven to earth.'),(1254,'aleikenberry@yahoo.com',1912,1345657060,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Austin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJason,\r\n\r\nI agree with you to a certain extent, but my concern is the denial of a starting point. We must be renewed (from the Spirit) before we can renew. We must become citizens of Heaven before we can impact the world. I\'m not saying that we live from Earth into heaven, but rather than when we have once become new creations ourselves, we should share that newness, that greatness, that opportunity, and that responsibility with the Earth. The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, but the New Earth is not yet manifest. While we are commanded to care for creation and love one another, we cannot do what only God can do. We cannot restore the Earth ourselves, but we are called to participate in the ministry of Christ\'s restoration. To do so, we must be in Christ. We can\'t renew the Earth by ourselves, we need Christ. We can\'t even renew ourselves, we need Christ to do that.\r\n\r\nAll that is to say that if a beautiful work of art distracts from the truth of the gospel, we should not appreciate it as much as a child\'s drawing that draws people to the truth of Christ. The beautiful art isn\'t bad, it\'s just worse than the less accomplished less beautiful piece of art. The purpose and the effect of the object effects its value, and therefore my appreciation thereof.\r\n\r\nYes, we need to live in both worlds, just like Christ did; but for anyone to live in both, they must first live in heaven.'),(1255,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1913,1345668626,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThe syncretism that occurred with the Chruch and Ancient Greek thought appears so embedded as to be part of the bread of faith, this I grant you. And the dangers of this gnostic yeast that you pointed out are, in my expereince, true. The other observation that has held true over my sixty-five years of life is that those holdings gnostic beliefs appear to be both angry and fearful, which manifests in a staunch authoritarianism and rigidity. In a word, condemning. Many Fundamentalist, I believe, are baking and eating this bread.\r\n\r\nWhat troubles me, and I may simply have misread this, is your liberal approach to the world. Granted, in Genesis after making Creation God said \"This is good\" and made us stewards of this garden. Also Romans1:19-20 makes it abudantly \"plain\" that creation reveals the existence, power, and nature of God. \r\n\r\nYet numerous verses severely caution us against and condemns \"worldliness\": it is enmity towards God This distinction seems blurred in your piece. To be IN the world but not OF the world. I know that space constraints and your primary focus inhibited a deeper view of this aspect, yet I feel it needed mention. Having proachedd this topic with other Christians, most are quick to accuse of being gnostic. The confusion over this point is pronounced. Making rules to guard against this encroachment by some sects and congregations leads more to a perpetual consciousness of worldliness than relief from it.\r\n\r\nThere is not two opposing realities but there is reality and delusion as well as reality and illsuion, making it appear as equal and opposing forces. What did Jesus say about us? \"They know not what they do.\" This is our worldly state of being, a blindness to the reality of Christ and spirit. It is not a basic malevolent nature in Man. We are just deceived. \"Getting the eyes to see...\" is the vital. Few have this vision. It is not \"secret knowledge\" but clarity of perception. The world completely changes and yet nothing has changed. \r\n\r\nWe are \"separated out.\" How? We live on earth as if already in heaven, through grace and the power of the Holy Spirit; the kingdom of God is within. Such a life is radically different than conventional wisdom and contrary to worldly values, so by demonstration we are to be a clear choice between godliness and worldliness. We are to divide soul from spirit, able to discern the eternal from the temporal. Why lay up treasures on the earth?\r\n\r\nAll create a false self and this self must die daily, not be embraced. Hidden in Christ, principles come before personalities. We are to be \"a living sacrifice,\" pick up our cross daily. Sanctification is the steady reduction of acquired worldliness and the devastating effects that has had on our soul. We are being whittled down to our original self, the spitting image and likeness of God, that was there before the foundations of the world were laid. This confabulated personality is to be overcome, but that is left to God\'s handwe simply surrender all of ourselves to him, good and bad alike, to use as it pleases him. We are to be a means without ends. At least, that is how I see it.'),(1256,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1914,1345670333,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAn overdue amends. My nephew who was spending a few days with me, an Iraqi vet, told me that he had posted here before he left this morning, in a shameful rush. Perhaps it was more over using my name in a post than what he said in that post. I don\'t know. He said he was \"a bit tipsy,\" as if that excused it.  \r\n\r\nFor me, I am quite upset with how many Christians talk about Islam, even if all the things they say about it are true. Two prophecies in Revelation: 1) the love of many will grow cold; 2) complaint by the Church will increase. I am not an End-of-Days- Soon guy but this could make a fellow a little gittery.\r\n \r\nI have no friends or acquaintances that are Muslim. I have not been in any of the conflicts over there.I have read some of the popularized horror stories, such as \"honor killigs,\" letting young girls burn to death, and the recent arrest for blasephemy of an 11 year old Christian girl, supposedly with Down Syndrome. There was also a lecture I heard, by a highly touted scholar, about the \"true Islam\" that was very unflattering and scary. Yet none of that should make any differences in what I think, say, or do. \r\n\r\nIf they are indeed my enemies, Jesus made my course clear: love them. If they mean me harm, Jesus made my course clear: do not return evil for evil. If they actually harm me, Jesus made my course clear, turn the cheek, walk an extra mile. Those three things are all I need to know concerning Islam.\r\n\r\nThank you for your article, a most refreshing change.'),(1257,'jason@thecentersurry.com',1915,1345670453,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jasonwiedel\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJerry, I think I agree with what you say. I\'d like to clarify the topic of \"worldliness.\" The church has varied broadly in what it deems worldly. Some segments of the church have impressed on their followers that any enjoyment creation is a distraction from the heavenly mind that a Christian should have. Other segments of the church live lives which indistinguishable from those who are not followers of Christ. I believe both approaches are wrong.\r\n\r\nSin has to do with action, not physical creation. I believe that God has intended every part of physical creation to be enjoyed by humanity. We do indeed distort this enjoyment with our selfishness, greed, and violence. The worldliness identified in Scripture is following the ways of society that have systematized this selfishness, greed, and violence. Rejecting worldliness is not a rejection of any of the good things that God created. This is, in a sense, a rejection of God.\r\n\r\nReligion has also often taught us that God only works in the area of our human weakness, and any natural strength should be pushed away. The work of Christ in  us restores us to the person that God created us to be. It does not strip away all that we are and recreate us from scratch. Therefore, we must embrace the things in us that are good and true, while rejecting the sin that would distort what God has made good.\r\n\r\nI\'m sure that we could roll around these ideas all day long, but I don\'t want to take up too much of the readers time.'),(1258,'marilyngardner5@gmail.com',1916,1345743946,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Marilyn Gardner\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks so much for this gracious comment. And I\'m glad you shared the bit about your nephew...the reality is I have never seen horrors like he has. I appreciate how you laid out media horror stories and yet end with what I believe to be true as well. It doesn\'t matter. We\'re called to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute. Thanks for that reminder. And also for the kind words.'),(1259,'raeleneroth@yahoo.com',1917,1345824393,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Raelene\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI agree with every word you wrote, Jamie.  That\'s exactly why I stated in previous comments that I see it as a form of research because I, too, believe we empower the things we make Taboo.  It reminds me of parenting my own child.  Anytime I tell her something is not \"right\" or not to do something, she becomes more curious, ask more questions, and will even do the very thing I said not to do, simply because I gave that particular thing/situation/etc. power.'),(1260,'wtwsarahb@yahoo.com',1918,1345825346,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Sarah B\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThey are taking his refusal to do further inestigation as a complicit admission. However, it ignores all the drug tests he passed over years of competing (that is, every one he was ever required to take).\r\nIt ignores the fact that he has said he played \'within the rules as they were at the time\' which leaves open the possibility that he did use things that were undetectable until they became detectable, though he has never admitted that.\r\nIt ignores the possibility that everyone else was doing the same, which is why the Cycling bodies didn\'t want to touch it with a barge pole - do they now have to retest everyone\'s decade old blood tests to see if they can find traces they couldn\'t at the time? Do they even have those blood samples in storage?\r\nIt expects him to try (without recourse to blood test results) to refute oral accusations from competitors and less successful team mates. \r\nIt\'s tall poppy syndrome - no one thinks anyone could do what he did without cheating - but no one expected him to become competitive again after beating the cancer. If he did one \'impossible\' thing, he could have done another.\r\nI think it is a shame that USADA have over played this - they have diminished no one but themselves.'),(1261,'jordanhageman@gmail.com',1920,1345860674,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jordan Hageman\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMore dialogue! Great! Although, Raelene, you\'ve made a very generalized sweeping statement. What about if you ask your child not to touch a hot stove, or run out into the street. There are many times in parenting when it is appropriate to tell your child not to do something and explain why. I believe God operates the same way. The Bible clearly states many things that we should NOT do because it leads to death (as well as a lot of things we should). I don\'t think this gives power to the thing that can harm them, rather shows the child the rightness behind the request when they understand why. \r\n\r\nAnd Jamie, based on what you stated I could then assume that you would think it would be okay to look at something like child pornography (not that you would!) since you state you can expose yourself to <strong>anything</strong> and \'truth\' will prevail. Again, it\'s a generalized sweeping statement that I will have to disagree with. \r\n\r\nI could also argue that by reading/viewing/writing \'anything\' that\'s when those things have power. By reading erotica novels you showing publishers there is a demand which will then increase the amount of that type of content, same with viewing pornography (of any kind)—is that your intent? I think by choosing NOT to read/write/view certain things that\'s when you are taking the power away from that thing. I have had no issues engaging people in dialogue about something that they have read that I have not. I can ask them about the book, why they read it, what is it about, what I can see could be appealing and why I would choose not read it without having read it or making them feel judged that they have. \r\n\r\nThere are some people that feel they can read \"Fifty Shades of Grey\" with a clear conscience before God. That is fine. I am not one of those people, and I know of many others. Some people aren\'t sure if they can or can\'t and I hope my article and these comments (thanks guys!) will help them make their decision with confidence whatever way they choose.\r\n\r\nI do believe I hear both of your hearts. The Christian market does tend to censor things to the extreme where it ceases to feel \"real\". Showing real and raw situations and then showing how God can show up takes a lot of talent that few seem to have. One book that does this extremely well is \"Redeeming Love\" by Francine Rivers. The author manages to tell the story with scenes that have child molestation, rape and prostitution without giving you the nitty gritty but still letting you know it happened and hitting you in the gut with it.'),(1262,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1921,1345862906,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi geard lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for your honest and straight-forward reply. I was suicidal for a time, which was probably just a natural progression of my excessive pondering and heavy into the Existentialists with an Irish Catholic foundation. Confusing. \r\n\r\nEcclesiates was my favorite book...after Catcher In The Rye. \r\n\r\nI could never allow myself to honor the strong pull to solitude; it remained a somewhat cowardly isolation, a retreat from life and not where life gained insight and meaning. It was seen as a deficiency, a failing. What did not help was that my family of origin and my whole extended family were extroverts and very good at it. I was literally painfully shy.\r\n\r\nYour piece helped move me a bit further along to accepting my propensity for solitude; it has been a long struggle.'),(1263,'rayrayc17@live.com',1922,1345869176,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSarah, you\'re a genius at this stuff. I don\'t have the first clue about the controversy other than what I hear on sports radio. I know it has been going on a long time. The guys on sports radio have made it sound like there are a lot of people who have it in for him. I\'ve never understood why the testing process takes forever. Thanks for filling in a lot of blanks for me.'),(1264,'himewarren@gmail.com',1923,1345930106,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jamie Warren\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJordan,\r\n\r\nI guess I could have been more clear in my statement. I assumed a understanding that it is never OK to explote others, especially children. Your choice in examples is a strawman aurguement that is beyond the realm I was suggesting. To view naked pictures of a child is a horrific abuse of the bounderies every person should have the choice to require, with full mental facalties having been developed. \r\n\r\nBut I can use this example in a more to my point scenerio...\r\n\r\nSay a child was sexually abused by a secondary family memeber, and you brought her or him to a psychiacrist'),(1265,'jordanhageman@gmail.com',1924,1345931068,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jordan Hageman\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHi Jaime, I\'m not sure if you had more to say. I think your full thought wasn\'t published. I know you made the assumption that people would know it is not okay to exploit others. However, I have learned the hard way that I am responsible for the words I leave out on the internet and I try not to leave room for people to make permissible for themselves things I understand God\'s word would not make permissible. I mentioned I learned this the hard right, right? :)'),(1266,'himewarren@gmail.com',1925,1345932680,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jamie Warren\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI guess I could have been more clear in my statement. I assumed a understanding that it is never OK to explote others, especially children. Your choice in examples is a strawman aurguement that is beyond the realm I was suggesting. To view naked pictures of a child is a horrific abuse of the bounderies every person should have the choice to require, with full mental facalties having been developed. \r\n\r\nBut I can use this example in a more to my point scenerio…\r\n\r\nSay a child was sexually abused by a secondary family memeber, and you brought her or him to a psychiatrist to deal with that trauma. Would you want that Dr. to have read full depositions of what happened? Would you want them to have full knowledge of what happens to these kids so they can speak to the hurt and suffering that has taken place? Can you imagine a councilor having a ears in the finger moment or lacking the true understanding od what REALLY is happening to these poor kids?\r\n\r\nCatch all phrases like \"Cast all your cares on Jesus\" and \"Turn to God\" always used to seem trite and way to ambiguous to me. \r\n\r\nKinda like a picture I saw of a man and woman handing a bible to a earthquake victim in Haiti with the caption... \"Thanks, these look delicious!\"\r\n\r\nI realize that  this is now a reverse strawman argument suggesting the only times to subject yourselves to unsavory subjects is during reasearch to help others. I am not even suggesting that. I am aurguing that full knowlege, and discloser are the most powerful, longlasting manors to base long lasting stable decisions. If you read a book like 50 Shades and it brings up something surprising for you....that\'s great! Unpack that and deal with it.....make some choices and be proactive about it. I would be greatful to have made some movement on a once dormant issue.\r\n\r\nI realize scripure is pretty clear on this. But it is also pretty clear that I should stone my daughter if I find she has lost her virginity before she marries, and slavery is just fine so....'),(1267,'himewarren@gmail.com',1926,1345932803,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jamie Warren\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSorry....computer glitch.'),(1268,'himewarren@gmail.com',1927,1345933286,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jamie Warren\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYep, I accept responcibility for not being clear enough. \r\n\r\n...and man, I am way too used to the edit function on Facebook. II need to fix all those typo\'s! :)'),(1269,'jordanhageman@gmail.com',1928,1345941172,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jordan Hageman\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJamie, thanks for the dialogue. I think we did a good job arguing both our points so I will leave it at that. I appreciate your insight and hope that others find it helpful as well. Always enjoy a good discussion.'),(1270,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1929,1346001587,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJason, you write, \"The work of Christ in us restores us to the person that God created us to be.\" I wrote, \'Sanctification is the steady reduction of acquired worldliness and the devastating effects that has had on our soul. We are being whittled down to our original self, the spitting image and likeness of God, that was there before the foundations of the world were laid.\' We appear in complete agreement, albeit you are thankfully less verbose.\r\n\r\nIt was not my point simply \"to roll around these ideas\"; I felt a word or two about \"worldliness\" was crucial to the discussion. Clarifying the differences between a scriptural worldliness and gnosticism did not seem to me to be wasting the reader\'s time. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Those who pay enough attention to hear the warning about the infiltration of gnosticism, usually in attacks on Roman Catholic and certain Baptist beliefs (as well as the Amish and Mennonites), dismiss the topic of worldliness as “yeast.” The fact that the Church “has varied broadly” regarding this issue is why I broached the topic. I see worldliness in the very making of rules by churches to guard against it. \r\n\r\nWorldliness, to me, is being attached to the things of the world, not the things in and of themselves, and to find my value in their possession. Image is one of those things, and the most dangerous. We are to become as little children, and what does a child possess? Nothing, all is given to him or her. Everything is a gift, for which gratitude, and not a sense of ownership or merit, is the response. We then delight in the love of the giver, not in the thing itself. The love of God is preeminent, from which all life comes. I am not to praise worldly philosophies, values, or systems but recognize where truth may surface within them, the ways of love and mercy, compassion and grace. I can then freely love the artist of inspiration, creativity, and beauty, which is the mind of God surfacing in art and music and even technology. What is uplifting, what rejoices in a loving Father\'s bounty, is to be enjoyed. Sex, a rock concert, or a needed nap can bring glory to God, as does a human being fully developed. It all comes down to how we see, and on this, from what you wrote, I feel we agree.'),(1271,'himewarren@gmail.com',1930,1346091791,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jamie Warren\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYes, thanks for the discussion Jordan!'),(1272,'lindsey.houghton12@houghton.edu',1931,1346186141,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Lindsey\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI think Christy\'s point is that when you met women who were goal-oriented, driven, and extremely ambitious in the business world, your assumption about them was that they were \"trying to be men.\" This assumption is one that is based on patriarchal ideas about gender - that men are ambitious and highly driven while women are caring and have low goal-motivation. However, many, many individuals do not fall into these definitions of gender. Christy and the previous poster were annoyed by your assumption that simply by having these characteristics, the women you encountered were \"trying to be men,\" when in fact, they were most likely simply acting in accordance with their own high-focus, high-motivation personalities. That you would say that such women were \"trying to be men\" reveals that you do, though perhaps unconsciously, subscribe to at least some of the patriarchal gender norms that many women have fought very hard to overcome. This is not to condemn you - we all must realize our own assumptions about the world before we can seek to truly change anything. God bless you in all your future attempts to lift up and recognize the women (and men) who are doing God\'s work in the world.'),(1273,'snowfarm@gmail.com',1932,1346341088,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Michael Snow\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI don\'t think he is \'denying the reality of war\' but, rather is emphasizing the reality of Christ\'s victory and what that means for the Christian.\r\n\r\nIf you would be interested in reviewing this, I would be glad to send the word doc:\r\nhttp://www.amazon.com/Christian-Pacifism-Fruit-Narrow-ebook/dp/B005RIKH62/ref=pd_rhf_dp_p_t_1'),(1274,'Colin.chee@gmail.com',1934,1346477325,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Colin C.\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDear Ryan,\r\n\r\nI come from a family that bridges both religions, being Christian on my mother\'s side and Buddhist on my father\'s. I count clergy of both Christian and Buddhist faiths among my near relatives, and have studied the scriptures of both.\r\n\r\nWith every respect, I do not think it philosophically correct to put Jesus\'s love side by side with Karma in a comparison of the two religions. It would be correct to put Jesus\'s love side by side with Buddhist compassion for all things; and it would be correct to put the Christian religion\'s belief in a punitive Hell/Limbo side by side with Karma. Karma in Buddhism is seen not as a prescriptive teaching from the Buddha but as a natural law of this universe. It is not an equalizing force that corrects or balances, but is best thought of as simply a law of causality: if I eat a rotten apple, I will get sick; if I do not walk into the river, I will not get my shoes wet. Christianity in Karmic terms would be: if I sin, I will be punished in Hell; if I sin but repent in the name of Jesus, I can find redemption.\r\n\r\nBuddha did not teach people to obey Karma. That is tautological since Karma operates anyway, being conceived as an ineluctable natural law. Buddhism is about breaking the Karmic cycle: the endless causal loop of action-consequence-action, first by realizing that one is responsible for one\'s actions and hence one\'s consequences, and then through a path of compassion (which can only be interpreted as love) replace a vicious cycle with a virtuous one. This is not very different from one coming to terms with and acknowledging one\'s sinfulness and taking the necessary steps to return to God.\r\n\r\nThe two religions are of course different in many aspects, both in detail and broad alignment, and there is much which is unique about each. But we should not see the drawing of similarities or discovery of common ground to be a threat, nor should we see differences between the two to be reason for exclusion or rejection.'),(1275,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',1936,1346619032,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Daisy Rain Martin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDear Brooke,\r\n\r\n\"Christ didn\'t tell the wounded to, \'Get over it!\'\" In fact, how many times does He tell us, \"I have heard your cry...\"\r\n\r\nI somehow navigated my way out of an uber-conservative, fundamentalist, authoritarian home where abuse was the norm. I have also experienced my share of church and church-organization abuse. Wrote a whole book about it! :) Since this subject is very near and dear to my heart, I decided to grow up and be an English teacher and help kids find their voices. And since my book came out, I am finding many opportunities to help grown adults do the same. It is amazing to me to see people begin to speak and untether themselves from their painful pasts and to try to help the church remain open and embracing of those who are \"victims\" of any kind.\r\n\r\nNo easy task!\r\n\r\nI facilitated a discussion last Sunday night at a church (not my own--I was a guest speaker) and shared some excerpts of my story. While they were very sweet and welcoming, I think I blew their hair back a little by asking them, basically, not to shut their ears and eyes to the pain that too many carry. I said, \"You know, if the church would have spent half its time providing a true sanctuary for me as they did arming us against other religions/denominations or warning us against secular music, I might\'ve been all right.\" But we were continually admonished to be obedient to the authority God has placed over us--and that was/is the culture all too often.\r\n\r\nAnyway, great article. Thanks for posting. I\'ll check out your site. Mine is www.daisyrainmartin.com. \r\n\r\nStay cool,\r\nDaisy'),(1276,'raggletaggletammy@gmail.com',1940,1347056705,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Tammy Perlmutter\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHi Jen! Kristin Tennant told me about you so I had to check you out, seeing as we may be having dinner together in a few weeks! (At Story.)  Love this post!! You named all my favorite bands, and I was one of those dark clad kids too!'),(1277,'midge@midgevice.com',1941,1347136720,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi MidgeV\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYes, there is only one God and He isn\'t Buddah. Sometimes to be all inclusive is to be ridiculous.'),(1278,'jshmueller@gmail.com',1942,1347140823,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Josh\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHasn\'t pretty much the same argument been made against the understanding of God as an all powerful supernatural being and relegated to the realm of human projection - with the same moral argument that it only creates a moral scapegoat for all kind of inhumane actions throughout history? I sense that the New Atheism sees itself as a powerful moral force for good exactly on the basis of this kind of reasoning.  If the human misuse of mythological concepts and language determines what can or cannot be objectively real apart from the inner world our brains create, then why stop at Satan as a mere human invention?\r\n\r\nIf however the attempt to name a very powerful reality within the realm of our everyday experience at least served a legitimate purpose during the times of the New Testament church (for example in not seeing other human beings - \"flesh and blood\" - as the enemy) why can\'t it still serve the same kind of purpose for people today who feel no real benefit from an attempt of demythologizing for moral reasons at all? \r\n\r\nIt seems to me that a big part of the Christian assurance all the way from the gathering of believers in Ephesus and Colossae in the first century to plagued consciences during the Reformation had as its bedrock the belief that Christ had utterly defeated all powers of evil and with it their inner voices of condemnation.'),(1279,'franko@juno.com',1943,1347284185,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Frank Olvera\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJeff, my vote would be for the Romney/Ryan ticket.\r\n\r\nSince you mentioned Ms Ayn Rand, I\'m sending this link to some of my friends -- huge Ayn Rand fans. I\'m fairly sure they\'ll like your post. :)'),(1280,'jhi29@hotmail.com',1944,1347288149,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jill\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI find it really unfortunate to find when an individual\'s (or a group of individuals) firmly held belief must become by default everyone else\'s belief. \r\n\r\nInclusion is not, has never been, and will never be ridiculous. Just ask Jesus about his inclusion of women, Samaritans, lepers, etc. etc. \r\n\r\nThankfully God is bigger than all the limitations and labels we humans choose to place.'),(1281,'jrich@desu.edu',1947,1347401760,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Dr. John D Rich, Jr.\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGreat article. Here\'s one I wrote about the parable with a similar take:\r\nhttp://www.iquestionthat.com/2012/09/11/the-parable-of-the-talents-revisited/'),(1282,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1952,1347996218,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi gerard lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nNo relation, I think.\r\n\r\nI am 65. When I grew up, being religious did not mean being on the lunatic or stupid fringe; it was normal and accepted, even highly values by most. That, as you have pointed out, has changed. The reasons are multiple and complex for this state of affairs but it is, as I see it, on the rise. I am beginning to hear a lot of Christians prefacing admitting to their faith, explanations that are really apologies. Many look for other labels than Christian, such as \"Christ-follower\" or \"Christ Disciple\" or anything but plain old Christian. The slings and arrows we now face are not aimed at an our irrepressible (foolish) love  and sacrifices but for holding ridiculous ideas about science'),(1283,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1953,1348002149,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi geard lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSorry, post in error.\r\n\r\nBe that as it may, I have a different view on this discipline thingy, and these facts are pertinent to that vision: I was a long distance runner and played football (American version) and loved every part and aprticle of it. Perhaps I was a strange kid. I remember after one track meet where I won four gold medals, the kids at school heaped lavish praise and I kept silently waiting for just one of them to say the praise was God\'s for how he made me. Still waiting.\r\n\r\nIn these things, sacrifice was celebration; burden, loss, and suffering were not involved. There was no prize down the road or price to pay. There was no way to train for the moment was in, no thought of what could be: Oddly graced, I suppose, it was really all joy as is. \r\n\r\n\"And who would run London’s rain-slick pavements as the cold bites and the traffic fumes choke if there was never an expectation that there would one day be a marathon to run and a medal to claim?\" This really gets to the crux and I feel is the fork (therein the rub) where our paths divide. I did not such a motivation. It used to truly puzzle me the fuss about competition and winning, although to watch me at either sport you would have thought me the most fanatical of competitors. It was just this love that was in me, put there, I felt, by Christ; I could never see how I could have produced it. A gift, end of story, and Christ was always with me in it.\r\n\r\nI see a spiritual discipline in much the same way. The toil is not what makes it a dsicipline or adds to my maturity; the toil shows me where I am off the mark and lacking in maturity; there is no merit to it. This is no cause for depression or guilt or re-doubling one\'s efforts. It is time to be still and allow the source of that resistance which produces toil to surface, to place ourselves as securely as we can in God\'s care. It is a time to trust more, not try harder. What fruit of the spirit we may appear to gain, is simply the removal by grace of what diminished or blocked the working of the spirit. Unlike the body that builds strength, the soul grows by reduction, losing all of what we have made of ourselves for what God would have us be.'),(1284,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1954,1348115747,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nIf there is actually such a thing such as fellowship, a word or two about your opinion is in order.'),(1285,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1955,1348115906,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nComplaint is not the best way to renewal.'),(1286,'theartofsteering@gmail.com',1956,1348127239,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Chloe Lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHi Gerard/Jerry, I see you are the same person by your e-mail address for these comments so will reply after the last of your four comments.  :-)'),(1287,'theartofsteering@gmail.com',1957,1348128308,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Chloe Lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHi Gerard/Jerry, I have been trying to understand your four comments (the first of which I think you posted in error?) but I think you may have misunderstood the tenor of this piece.  It is in no way a complaint but an honest recognition that the Facebook generation is completely other that any which we have ever known.  I don\'t know whether this is a U.S. experience yet or whether the U.K. has transitioned more rapidly into this context; perhaps you are able to advise there?\r\n\r\nIn any event, I am glad that your experience of following Jesus has been all joy and that you have found the \'toil\' of spiritual disciplines to be helpful in showing you where you are \'off the mark\', to use your phrases.  I wholeheartedly agree that this is their purpose and that, used rightly, their pain is tiny compared with the joy we gain through learning to abide more fully in the Father\'s love.  However - and it is this which is the crux of my argument - it takes maturity to think this way as well as an ability to choose what is hard for the sake of the joy set before us, yet this is something which is increasingly not hard-wired into the Facebook generation, who often see no reason to pay the price of discipline now for the sake the joy of a life more rooted in Christ later.  I think this tendency is partly attributable to postmodern culture, as well as this generation\'s experience of liminality in their context: in essence, everything seems temporary to them and the present is often the only reality they can conceive because the future seems so unsure.\r\n\r\nHopefully, this explains where I am coming from.  I love this generation; they are my primary ministry context and I have been making disciples amongst them, as well as leading a church full of them, for about six years now.  They are the future of the church and, though they bring challenges like any other (half-)generation such as mine or yours, I trust that God will work sovereignly through his Spirit to give them (and us, I pray) a new vision of his glory in Christ.  <em>And that, friend, will be enough for them and for me!</em>'),(1288,'kristenrosser@hotmail.com',1958,1348163017,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Kristen\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThis sounds a lot like my Christianity.  A lot.\r\n\r\nHowever, I can\'t go out with you because I\'m married.  But you look fabulous too! :)'),(1289,'jordanhageman@gmail.com',1959,1348167138,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jordan Hageman\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGreat post, Ray!'),(1290,'rayrayc17@live.com',1961,1348198830,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks Jordan! You\'re my hero!'),(1291,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1962,1348213490,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMy \"taste of sin\" was purposally seasoned. I did not have an excuse why I harmed, or even robbed, another: i had concrete reasons. Adrenaline is the taste of sin for me.\r\n\r\nMy experience is that labeling anything as sin is a pathetic expediency. Why so few Christians become as Christ is the direct result of this moralistic purge. Morality has next to nothing to do with being a Christian.'),(1292,'roy.yanke@gmail.com',1963,1348233412,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Roy Yanke\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJerry\r\nCan you clarify? I am not sure I follow your thinking. \r\nRay\r\nThe bitterness of the fruit is the shame it creates...which keeps us in the cycle of trying to make ourselves feel better, which leads us back to sin again...and around we go.'),(1293,'peter@emergingchristian.com',1960,1348243046,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Peter Walker\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAwesome man.  Metallica meant a lot to me during my adolescence - I love your comment on being afraid to feel sorrow.  We are a pain-averse society, and too often the church demonizes those who are brave enough to face the darkness.\r\n\r\nHa!  I used to sneak Def Leopard, and then feel guilty about it...'),(1294,'steve.martin37@aol.com',1964,1348270615,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Steve Martin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"Screaming towards sin\"?\r\n\r\nI\'m stuck in it. It is my CONDITION, and I cannot break free of my own accord. Indeed, I don\'t want to break free from it.\r\n\r\nThe reason that we don\'t stop sinning is simple, and shocking...we don\'t want to!\r\n\r\nBut our Lord knows this about us., Look at St. Paul. Read Romans 7. But the Lord used him mightily as He will use us when we proclaim His gospel for the ungodly...those who are bound in their sin.\r\n\r\nThanks.'),(1295,'rayrayc17@live.com',1965,1348298463,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nRoy, you\'re right. It\'s a vicious cycle. Sin is a pleasurable experience. Once we are involved we are moved further and further away from our Creator. \r\n\r\nJerry, I too would like further clarification. I\'m a little confused.'),(1296,'rayrayc17@live.com',1966,1348298863,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSteve,\r\nYou\'re right. We do not want to. But thanks be to God that He has given us His Spirit to wage war against sin. Will we still fall? Yes. But we know that Chriat was tempted in every way that we are. It is not an impossible battle. \r\n\r\nSin is so desirable. God tells us, \"don\'t do this.\" What is our natural reaction? To do it. It\'s like telling our kids, \"Don\'t stay out too late. Don\'t go see that rated R movie.\" So what is their natural reaction? To go and do it. That is why we are to cultivate the fruit of the spirit. Easy? Nope. But is it what God wants for us to be for our best and His best? Yeah. Tough.'),(1297,'lynch.geard@yahoo.com',1967,1348465017,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n(Jerry is a nickname for Gerard, a name I hated as a child so much I could not stand to spell Jerry with a \"G.\" Jerry is sufficient.)\r\nThank you chloe, for your thoughtful reply. My first post is not an error; I accidentally posted before finishing my comments was the problem. What I said there goes to my observations in America and fit with yours.\r\n\r\nInstant messaging, fast food, and high-speed internet: I want what I want and I want it NOW! Spell-check and calculators. Disposable lighters, phones, and cameras. Degrees in your PJs. Heck, work in PJs. There seems to be many things that have added to what you see as a deterioation of the \"persevere mode\" in consciousness. And I whole-heartedly agree.  \r\n\r\nWhat I found that varied from my view was not meant to come off so pompous and hyperbolic. My apologies. I will try to coax it down off its high horse..\r\n\r\nMy twenty-five years of alcohol abuse appears to be a perverse and unintentional spiritual discipline (pun intended). The self must die daily--and it did, although from a misplaced devotion. If a spiritual discipline is meant to reduce our worldliness or whatever may block a full surrender and dependence upon God, to be truly hidden in Christ, then alcoholism acted like the path of the saint. I was utterly defeated and thanks to saving grace, my brokenness became clear.\r\n\r\nYes, I know, I appeared to give this undending joyful union with God as my perpetual state. The exception to my normal shame-based and troubled self as a young man was sports. And I truly loved it all, for I felt this was what God gave me to be close to him. Jesus ran by my side, gamboled with me in football, and sweated through the practices.  Looking back, I see it was definitely more inspired than motivated. That is the difference in the approach to spiritual discipline that I was trying to make, ever so annoyingly.\r\n\r\n\"But you go because you have seen the glory of the prize.\" That would be motivation and it had nothing to do with why I ran or why I follow Christ today. (Again, probably because I was a strange kid.) The \"present was the only reality I could conceive of\" or desire and that had nothing to do with an unsure future or lack of imagination.  Keeping both eyes on this moment is my best vision of tomorrow. Why strive for perfection or anything when to be still is to know God. Ah, but how do we get mature enough to \"be still,\" even knowing Jesus said \"the work is to enter the rest\" and present day society says, \"Manana.\" \r\n\r\nTo me, a spiritual discipline is all about reduction of my resistance to godliness and my dependency on self. No practice adds a jot of godliness to me, yet it can reduce what diminishes or blocks a complete abandoment to divine providence. The appeal is to have warriors for a new paradigm, to boldly go where few have gone before. (Or in our vernacular, be Christlike.) Ask, want the greatest thrill and challenge you will ever face, the ultimate test of who you are? It is far more death-defying in a way than any X-Factor experience. Why? Because it welcomes death, it does not defy it.'),(1298,'lynch.geard@yahoo.com',1968,1348465075,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nChloe, I was raised heavy-duty Irish Catholic: I think you know what that means. Couple that with this:\r\nI had a NDE when I was seven. Though my eyes were open under water and seeing the sun, what I was seeing inside was Jesus running through an open field to me, calling my name with great welcome, as if I had been lost a long time and he was overjoyed to see me. Difficult to describe but the sun was felt like his radiating love, a way ofembracing each other. Then Mrs. McDermott got between me and the sun and with her flabby arms was reaching to pick me. I tried to tell her I was fine, really peachy-keen right where I was, but she kept coming. The next thing I remember is looking up into the face of Andrew McDermott, a fireman down to visit his mom. A true blessing, or was it? My mother was so angry with me for wandering off  and relieved I hadn\'t die, embarrassed vying with grateful I guess, that she alternately pulled me down the beach and stopped to hug me, red faced one minute and crying the next. I never got the opportunity to tell her what I saw but when I stated looking up at the sun, I got a smack. \"Don\'t lie to me, young man, you were found floating face down.\" Well, words to that effect; a little juicier. She was German.\r\n\r\nI got pretty strange, as I already noted, after that, and still hear the stories from my cousins. For instance, during the rest of the summer I practically spent all my time visiting the elderly on their porches. I only recall brief snatches of this activity but my family has a much more vivid (and amused) memory. My ambition was now to be a saint by martyrdom, defending the chalice from invading pagans (protestants were included in that) from the public schools. The fantasy had me materializing after death at recess before the whole school, all of them entralled to see such a holy person so young. By twelve, other fantasies started to enter but the saint idea lingered. Even in the throes of my alcoholism I felt God had separated me out. \r\n\r\nI went through a few years after sobriety of being a Recovered Catholic. I hated the Church. If you have heard what it was like in the Fifties and Sixties, then you may understand. I am not sure if my NDE made me such a distracted day-dreamer but it my day-dreamer did make me a target, and an easy one. But I never abandoned my love of Christ, just the vehicle I had known. TVangelist got most of my wrath. Along with my growing study and practice of Zen Buddhism, I started an intense study of the Bible in order to beat them on their home field. Hard to say which got me back in the fold. Not the mainstream fold but mysticism, which seemed much like buddhism in a way and had the added appeal of being hated by most Christian sects.\r\n\r\nAll this by way of explaining why I do not translate well when talking to most Christians. My ineptitude at grounding'),(1299,'lynch.geard@yahoo.com',1969,1348465075,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n...it more in scripture and doctrine, and using identifying Christian terms to clarify or define my points, is a failing I once need to apologize for.'),(1300,'steve.martin37@aol.com',1971,1348873057,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Steve Martin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nRead John Lott\'s, \"More Guns, Less Crime\".\r\n\r\nLots of our notions and mainstream media\'s mis-reporting about gun crime is set straight.'),(1301,'tom@emory.edu',1972,1348951393,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Tommy\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSort of confused as to what you are really saying, but I guess we are all safe now that you got rid of your gun.'),(1302,'Buddynet02@att.net',1973,1348957864,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Buddy aka Beverly\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHow does one submit an article?  I\'d like to try.  I\'m able to get in to read what other\'s write, but I don\'t seem to be a member.  Could someone please e-mail me at the address above with advice.\r\n\r\nThank you,\r\n\r\nBuddy aka Beverly'),(1303,'theartofsteering@gmail.com',1975,1349026052,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Chloe Lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJerry, thank you so much for such open and vulnerable sharing.  I have just had a week of craziness(!) hence the non-reply until now but I do appreciate your response to my thoughts, thank you!'),(1304,'flemingsa2.3@gmail.com',1974,1349035881,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Sara\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWhile I definitely don\'t agree with FGM being performed, you probably should look more into the topic than you have.  The Qur\'an never directly states female genital mutilation as being part of purity.  The video you\'ve included in your article even says that religion isn\'t the reason.  FGM was condemned by leading Islamic scholars acting under the Grand Mufti of Egypt in 2006 as being against Islamic values, and many of the countries in which it is practiced are trying to illegalize it.  More women surveyed by Orji and Babalola thought having FGM was important because it prevented the death of newborn males than women who did it for religious reasoning.  Yet you focus your article mostly against Islam rather than the cultural ignorance.'),(1305,'franko@juno.com',1976,1349036535,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Frank Olvera\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSara, I\'ve got <em>nothing against Islam</em>.\r\nI\'m <em>against the mutilation<em />, but I do admit my ignorance.'),(1306,'flemingsa2.3@gmail.com',1977,1349085026,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Sara\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI understand that you\'re not against Islam, as you state that near the end of your article.  I\'m just pointing out that your most emphasized reasoning for why the procedure is practiced is religion when, in reality, it\'s one of the notable reasons least used.  Perhaps you should have done more research on the topic before posting it online for the world to see.  There are many excellent peer-reviewed articles available on Google Scholar that could help you become more knowledgeable about a topic before largely blaming a religion for a practice it condemns.  In your comment above mine in response to Buddy aka Beverly, you say that they\'re trying to make it obligatory in Egypt.  You\'re talking about a small group of people, while the government itself is in the process of trying to illegalize it.'),(1307,'franko@juno.com',1978,1349101876,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Frank Olvera\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSara, is the IP you\'re using in the <a href=\"whois.kaniu.com/IPInfo/KR/211/181.htm\" title=\"WHOIS 211.181.125.13\" rel=\"nofollow\">Korea/Japan area</a>? If so, I\'m glad you had read this post.\r\n\r\nIn <a href=\"http://scholar.google.com/\" title=\"Google Scholar\" rel=\"nofollow\">Google Scholar</a>, I found the following.\r\n\r\n<blockquote>An estimated 80 million girls and women living today have undergone female genital mutilation,2 which is practised primarily in sub-Saharan Africa, the Arab world, Malaysia, and Indonesia and among migrant populations in Western countries. In Britain alone an estimated 10 000 girls are currently at risk (E Dorkenoo and S Elworthy, first study conference of genital mutilation of girls in Europe, July 1993). Justification for the practice varies from region to region: religious, cultural, medical, and moral arguments have all been used.\r\n<a href=\"http://www.bmj.com/highwire/filestream/353202/field_highwire_article_pdf/0/460\" title=\"Female genital mutilation\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://www.bmj.com/highwire/filestream/353202/field_highwire_article_pdf/0/460</a> (08/21/1983)</blockquote>\r\n\r\n<blockquote><strong>Author</strong> Kelly, Elizabeth a; Hillard, Paula J Adams b\r\n<strong>Institution</strong> (a) Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA\r\n(b) Cincinnati Children\'s Hospital Medical Center, University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA\r\n<strong>Title</strong> Female genital mutilation.[Miscellaneous]\r\n<strong>Source</strong> Current Opinion in Obstetrics &amp; Gynecology. 17(5):490-494, October 2005.\r\n<strong>Abstract</strong> Purpose of review: The purpose of this review is to aid the healthcare practitioner in caring for children, girls, and women who have undergone female genital mutilation or who are at risk for female genital mutilation.\r\n\r\nRecent findings: The bulk of the literature published in the area of female genital mutilation over the past year addresses the laws, social needs, immigration status and assimilation of African women who immigrate into western countries. Clinicians continue to publish case reports of complications and the surgical management of type III female genital mutilation during labor. Additionally, as people continue to try to eliminate female genital mutilation through human rights campaigns and the legal system, they have also become increasingly aware that understanding the motives behind this traditional practice may be an avenue towards change.\r\n\r\nSummary: The fundamental understanding of female genital mutilation will allow the clinician to address the emotional and physical needs of the children, girls, and women who have undergone this traditional practice or who are at risk for undergoing this practice. This understanding will allow the practitioner to individualize the history and physical examination, and to provide appropriate management with recognition and treatment of complications. Increased knowledge of the laws against female genital mutilation will allow the healthcare provider to educate and advise at-risk girls and women as well as their parents.\r\n<a href=\"http://journals.lww.com/co-obgyn/Abstract/2005/10000/Female_genital_mutilation.9.aspx\" title=\"Female genital mutilation : Current Opinion in Obstetrics and Gynecology\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://journals.lww.com/co-obgyn/Abstract/2005/10000/Female_genital_mutilation.9.aspx</a></blockquote>\r\n\r\n<blockquote>Female circumcision has no place in Islam; as it is restricted to some Muslim countries (Egypt, Indonesia, Sudan, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Eritruria, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Burkina Faso, Chad, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Kenya, Mali, Nigeria and Togo), many religious leaders consider it a social custom rather than a religious practice.\r\n\r\nReligious circumcision: a Muslim view\r\nS.A.H. RIZVI, S.A.A NAQVI, M. HUSSAIN and A.S. HASAN\r\nSindh Institute of Urology and Transplantation, Dow Medical College and Civil Hospital, Karachi, Pakistan\r\n<a href=\"http://www.werzit.com/intel/religion/islam/articles/archives/Religious%20circumcision%20a%20Muslim%20view.pdf\" title=\"Religious circumcision: a Muslim view\" rel=\"nofollow\">http://werzit.com/intel/religion/islam/articles/archives/Religious%20circumcision%20a%20Muslim%20view.pdf</a></blockquote>'),(1308,'flemingsa2.3@gmail.com',1979,1349132729,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Sara\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYes, it\'s Korea.  I\'m stationed here.  Now if you would please have my IP address removed from that post before I report it, I would greatly appreciate it.  You could have easily asked that question without linking to my address.'),(1309,'franko@juno.com',1984,1350047385,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Frank Olvera\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI\'ve been writing for this site for a while and I\'ve never noticed that there\'s no <strong>LIKE</strong> button. Well I <strong>LIKE</strong> your post.'),(1310,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1985,1350114738,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAuthor, your filters were exposed in the selection of those \"drawn to conflict.:.\"  And all of us have these things to excite and inhibit.\r\n\r\nThe thing about being an unreasonable person, no cause or excuse is lost; there is, no matter how formidable, a way in logic to exonerate that is supported by what we commonly refer to as decency. It is better labeled naivete.\r\n\r\nAll so-called \"conflict\" is within ourselves; there is no outside source. Nothing happens to me or for me; it all happens within me.\r\n\r\nAll your reasons for why we seem to love conflict never mentions the essential: fear. It is the threat to control. It is te threat to certainity. It is the threat of waking up that is most threatening.'),(1311,'Buddynet02@att.net',1986,1350161085,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Beverly Donner\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI woke up this morning thinking about the hate for our president and wondering why this is voiced by the so-called \"Christian Right\" and how to my way of thinking, everything I know of Christ would lean more to the left.\r\n\r\nMuch of the hate I see is aimed at our President, whom we should, as Americans respect, even if we didn’t vote for him or don’t  agree with his policies.  When he was awarded with the Nobel Peace Prize, we as Americans should have been so proud and yet folks were angered and said he didn\'t deserve it.  When Osoma Bin Laden was killed, what should have been considered an American victory became outrage and my Facebook newsfeed was filled with angry conservatives claiming that that Obama deserved no credit for this, that it was the Navy Seals who got him.  From President Obama\'s Inauguration Celebration forward, his Republican majority congress vowed to make him a one term president and have voted against every thing he has proposed, even things they were for during the Republican Administration.  They put their goal of making one man fail above what is good for our nation and have caused their fellow countrymen to suffer for their own party goals.  I\'d say that is a whole heap of hate, and this is just the surface.  I\'ve seen pictures of black male mannequins made to resemble our president being both hung in effigy which looks so reminiscent to the KKK lynching’s of the past, and one being beheaded at a Tea Party gathering.  I\'ve seen the \"Don\'t Re-Nig\" bumper stickers.  There\'s the whole \"birther\" thing, and the rumor that our president is actually a Muslim, even though during his campaign there were complaints about his church leader, Reverend Wright.  It is hateful and shameful the way some people love to hate a good man, and I can\'t help but think that there is some racism there.  In my opinion, the Tea Party is based purely on hate and has set our country back at least 50 years, yet these same people claim to be all for Christian values.  Maybe some people need to ask themselves “Who Would Jesus Hate?”'),(1312,'glennhager1@gmail.com',1988,1350184673,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Glenn Hager\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJerry - I\'m not sure that I understand your second paragraph, but the rest makes perfect sense to me. Anger is internal in its source. The external is merely the trigger. I think I agree with fear being the source. Perhaps, it disguises itself as other things, like a sense of superiority.'),(1313,'glennhager1@gmail.com',1989,1350322806,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Glenn Hager\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nBeverly,\r\n\r\nThank you for your very thoughtful comment. I apologize for taking a while to reply. It was a busy weekend around here. I also apologize that my response is longer than your original comment.\r\n\r\nI am struck by how divided the people of our nations are. When I hear their response to the debates, it sounds like they were watching different things. That’s because their personality, their friends, and their brand of faith has formed a very specific filter through which they view the world. Of course, we would be better off to throw out the filters; except for “the Jesus one” that considers his example.\r\n\r\nHe didn\'t seem to care about government and the one he lived with was exponentially worse than ours, being a nasty blend of a cruel occupying militaristic empire and a corrupt theocracy. Jesus did encourage people of his day to pay their taxes with his “give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s” comment, but I can’t imagine him aligning with any political movement.\r\n\r\nI understand why you believe he would lean to the left, since the left claims to be more compassion toward the poor and more accepting of people of various ethnicities. I have found that reasonable people agree upon the problems facing our nation, but they disagree upon the best way to address them and the role of government in that process. That’s a worthy discussion since so many government programs have evoked the law of unintended consequences and are no longer sustainable in these hard economic times.\r\n\r\nConcerning President Obama, some people thought the Nobel Peace Prize was undeserved for no other reason than the fact that he had been president for less than a year and had no major accomplishments to show for it other than toning down the nationalistic rhetoric. \r\n\r\nProbably any president would have taken out Bin Laden given the opportunity he had. Unfortunately, President Obama and the Democratic Party kept “spiking the football,” something he earlier said was inappropriate.\r\n\r\nThese days Democrats and Republicans vehemently oppose anything coming from the other side. It’s a kind of semi-civilized tribalism that does a great disservice to the people of our nation.\r\n\r\nThere are no excuses for racism. Period! However, people who have sincerely challenged President Obama’s policies have been branded as “racists” and that is just as wrong. Both devalue individuals.\r\n\r\nPresident Obama’s associates should be called into question as should those of any candidate.\r\n\r\nPersonally, I believe there was more hatred directed toward the last President Bush than there has been toward President Obama. This is largely because the media was complicit in the critical attitude toward Bush.\r\n\r\nPerhaps my biggest concern of the liberal perspective is that it preaches tolerance, but there seems to be very little tolerance and a lot of misrepresentation of people who disagree with them.\r\n\r\nBoth the Occupy Movement and the Tea Party are responses by people who are frustrated with the way things are. They each have the right to organize and be heard as long as they are not infringing upon the rights of others by destroying property or something like that.\r\n\r\nBeverly, I love your compassion, but I would encourage you to examine your filter through which you see things. I suggest that people get their news from various sources and avoid becoming die hard adherents of either party. That way you have the flexibility to accept or reject whatever parts that don’t line up with what we know about Jesus and then you can merge the best parts of various perspectives.'),(1314,'wtwsarahb@yahoo.com',1990,1350334991,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Sarah B\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHey Amy!\r\nI pastor a tiny church in the UK, so I\'m not trying to recruit you and the family! I would say you have three questions to ask; is the preaching biblical (even if sometimes not quite what you\'re used to)? Are the people friendly and welcoming without being overwhelming? Are there opportunities for the whole family to both give and receive in ministry?\r\n\r\nDon\'t be afraid to step over denominational boundaries or to a church where your ethnicity might be the minority, ask the Spirit to help you find a place where services and serving will satisfy your hearts as well as your minds and for the wisdom to recognise it when you find it.\r\n\r\nI\'d say good luck, but that could be open to misinterpretation, so what I will say is \'may God guide and bless you all as you set sail with him at the helm\'.'),(1315,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1991,1350335324,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi gerard lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"Probably any president would have taken out Bin Laden given the opportunity he had. \"\r\nFrom previous statements made criticizing the president prior to killing bin Laden, Romney said he would not enter Pakistan without their approval. Also, the risk was very high and took a great deal of courage. To suggest any president would have done so is, I feel, a stretch. If this went wrong, like Carter, he was done.\r\n \r\n\"Unfortunately, President Obama and the Democratic Party kept “spiking the football,” something he earlier said was inappropriate.\" \r\n\r\n\"These days Democrats and Republicans vehemently oppose anything coming from the other side.\" \r\n\r\n\"However, people who have sincerely challenged President Obama’s policies have been branded as “racists” and that is just as wrong.\" \r\n\r\n\"I believe there was more hatred directed toward the last President Bush than there has been toward President Obama. This is largely because the media was complicit in the critical attitude toward Bush.\" \r\n\r\n\"Perhaps my biggest concern of the liberal perspective is that it preaches tolerance, but there seems to be very little tolerance and a lot of misrepresentation of people who disagree with them.\" \r\n\r\n\"Both the Occupy Movement and the Tea Party are responses by people who are frustrated with the way things are. They each have the right to organize and be heard as long as they are not infringing upon the rights of others by destroying property or something like that.\"\r\n\r\n\"...and avoid becoming die hard adherents of either party.\" If you carefully and open-mindedly re-read your statements above, I feel you may need to question yourself on this advice.\r\n\r\nI had written a reply of some lengths to each sentence I cited in your reply to Beverly. I decided to just leave an abbreviated answer to the first statement. The Right wing filtering needed to produce the other cites is self-evident. \r\n\r\nIn a hopefully better-thought out commentary on your thread than my first, most of the conflict, to me, arises from the subconscious, the Shadow Self, land of \"unaccepted things.\" \r\n\r\nLacking a sense of genuineness--in effect being perpetually underwhelmed--I needed conflict to feel alive, the contrasts giving me a sense of identity. At least this is my experience in recovering through the Twelve Steps.From that place, perception is cause. The dark aspects of myself are projected, old wounds seek succor or revenge, past failures look to succeed, mistakes want a fall guy. \r\n\r\nAA has a spiritual axiom, which in my life I have seen to be absolutely true time and time again: Whenever I am disturbed, the problem is in me. Nothing happens to me or for me; it all happens within me. Reality is of the heart, the life I get and share is there.'),(1316,'royalfamily12@gmail.com',1992,1350353801,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Amy Mitchell\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for your kind words!  We made a list of churches we wanted to visit.  The first Sunday we set aside, our son asked for a particular church, so that\'s where we went.  We haven\'t visited any others yet.  We want to give it some time, see what happens.  So far, we do like this church, even though it\'s very different from any other that we\'ve attended.'),(1317,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1993,1350503007,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi gerard lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nExcellent...and so depressing. I live in a highly conservative town in southern NM. My attempts to bring some Christ into the discussion about Sharia\'h and Muslims is often met with either disdain or venomous anger. It hurts to see fellow Christians behaving this way. We have a local Christian newspaper that sees no distinction between terrorists and Islam. But this paper also does not see any distinction between Obama and the Anti-Christ. Prayer closets should be open 24/7.\r\n\r\nThanks again for article.'),(1318,'jeff@hometownprophetbook.com',1994,1350513905,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi HometownProphet\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for the comment Gerard.   It sounds like I actually live in a less repressive area than you, although I can certainly relate. While I hate to hear anyone engage in hate speech, it\'s even more frustrating to hear Christians talk in extremely negative (judgmental) terms.   So much of it is based in fear and ignorance.  And yet, that still doesn\'t excuse the behavior.   While we can try to gently challenge others, I wonder if the best work gets done in the prayer closet.'),(1319,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1995,1350654015,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI was raised with 12 years of Catholic education by Dominicans and Jesuits. A critical intellect, with a few exceptions, was highly encouraged. It has always been part of my faith to question, which eventually led me away from Catholicism. \r\n\r\nI agree that we each relate to God uniquely. If every individual were fully tested on their beliefs, no two would be in agreement. Yet I do not feel this is something we must seek to actively create; it is a simple product of our essence. The boldness would come in standing in that integrity of spirit or \"to sin boldly\" as Luther said. A radical dependence on grace, however, is the order of the day. But because this also seems to produce some truly looney ideas and practices, most Christians caution for a safety net or ground. This is, of course, almost surely self-defeating in realizing a profound relationship with Christ. It really does take a \"leap of faith\" which is not unlike that scene in one of the Indiana Jones movies: to literally step off a cliff and trust you walk onto God\'s hand.\r\n\r\nI definitely agree about the Spirit of God ruining our life. Going along with the first paragraph, all supports to faith and being are gradually removed. We are not done mourning one thing when another is taken away, sometimes ripped from our grasp. The only way to maintain some sanity is to go where we being drawn: into the stillness of ambiguity. We come to see that paradox is the native tongue of truth. And we gradually become a means with ends, the only light a \"lamp unto our feet\" with just enough illumination for the moment, past and future remaining in blessed darkness. Turth is no longer anything that we hold and act upon but God\'s expression through us. As C.S. Lewis said, \"The more God takes us over, the more our true selves we become.\" \r\n\r\nA human being fully developed, our final maturation, is to openly partake of the divine, to be \"the light of the world. This is perfect humility, for humility is not the recognition of our smallness in a lowly comparison to God but the realization of our oneness in loving companionship with God. We live in the complete freedom of Christ, our heart a raw spirit of action and not a considered system of belief.'),(1320,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1996,1350654400,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nCorrection: in the third paragraph, that should read \"And gradually we become a means withOUT ends...\"'),(1321,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1997,1350719043,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi gerard lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMr. Prophet, if best is the criterion, prayer embarrasses the reach, for it has little to do with the fulfillment of a desired outcome and all to do with what is for the ultimate wellbeing of our soul: reltaionship with our father.'),(1322,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1998,1350798402,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nNo response. Sorry, did I somehow offend? I can be pretty crude. I really would appreciate your most critical comments.'),(1323,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',1999,1350802488,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYikes, very powerful and sort of embarrassing. Thank you. What a great way to phrase it: \"middleman.\"'),(1324,'Tsmith0095@gmail.com',2000,1350840957,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Terry\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJerry, I\'ve been on mobile all weekend and working. As soon as I can sit down at a computer, I will respond. I took no offense.'),(1325,'jeff@hometownprophetbook.com',2001,1351797930,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi HometownProphet\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"We know more guns actually make society more dangerous.  <a href=\"http://arstechnica.com/science/2007/01/6601/\" rel=\"nofollow\">A study by Harvard researchers</a> found that the states with the top 25% of household firearm ownership had a homicide rate that was 60% higher than the rest of the nation.   Compared with the states in the bottom 25% of gun ownership, the top 25% had 114% greater firearm related homicides.   <a href=\"http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/the-geography-of-gun-deaths/69354/\" rel=\"nofollow\">A map of gun-related deaths in the US clearly shows that firearm deaths are significantly higher in states with fewer gun control restrictions.\"(http://www.hometownprophetbook.com/into-the-cross-hairs/)'),(1326,'Buddynet02@att.net',2002,1351962486,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Buddy aka Beverly\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for saying this for me.  It is exactly what I\'ve tried to get across to other Christians but never do.'),(1327,'jeff@hometownprophetbook.com',2003,1352144431,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi HometownProphet\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYou\'re welcome... It takes time, but don\'t give up.'),(1328,'dshammons@texasdata.net',2004,1352172789,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi DJH\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJust finished this book. I\'ve been a music/worship director for about 10 years.\r\n\"The Resignation of Eve acknowledges with compassion the tensions women face but the premise is unfair. We are dared to bolt from our churches and force the church’s hand, in order for them to somehow see how important we are. But you must appreciate the tragic fact that this will be held against us. The very nature of our character will be called into question, women who have faithfully worked, loved, served the Church for generations.\" YES, YES, YES. \r\nI have, at times, even worked in a church with a female pastor and was disconcerted, disheartened and disillusioned to discover that even then, I was not allowed to truly lead. I was hired to be the Music Director for the worship band, but was instructed to stay quietly in the background while a male band leader took center stage. I could and did all the service planning, song selection, etc. However, the pastor felt uncomfortable with \"too much female presence\" in front of the congregation, and, as she was the senior, actually only, pastor on staff, that was enough feminine presence. I was eventually nudged out so that the worship staff is now only men, but I was \"welcome to stay on and sing (backup) as I felt led\". It felt like a slap in the face. From another woman, no less. Stay or leave? Still haven\'t figured that one out.'),(1329,'ler.dire@gmail.com',2006,1353003935,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi LERATO D\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nyou are an inspiration and a testimony of Jesus unfailing love.\r\n\r\nthank you \r\n\r\nGOD BLESS'),(1330,'joyleewilson@gmail.com',2007,1353004026,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Joy Wilson\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGod bless you, too.  I appreciate it!'),(1331,'sarahrandall@hotmail.com',2008,1353040410,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Sarah SSM\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks to a friend, I now have it and have read it.  And will go back to it.  Thank you. Keep writing.'),(1332,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2009,1353451922,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you, Jeff. I am one of those who is tempted to check out of all things political, and I certainly don\'t believe in a \"godly\" party. When people mix their religion and politics, it scares the bejeezus out of me. I can\'t take the Facebook posts with the superimposed eagles, American flag, the Bible, and the Smith and Wesson claiming that Jesus died on the cross and bled red, white, and blue. Horrifies me. \r\n\r\nI\'ll sign up for you newsletter and check out your website. Mine is www.daisyrainmartin.com. We speak the same language, brother.\r\n\r\nStay cool,\r\nDaisy Rain Martin'),(1333,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2010,1353464749,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHey Amy,\r\n\r\nI\'m always interested in a good read full of humor and grace, and a compatriot in egalitarian theology sounds a-okay to me! Thank you for this review. I\'ll probably get two copies of this book--one for me and one for my editor, Donna K. Wallace. We talk all the time about this. Have you ever read Sue Monk Kidd\'s \"Dance of the Dissident Daughter\"? The front half is fantastic. She talks about women in the church tapping out their full potential for the kingdom of God by rearranging cookies on a plate, God love her heart. \r\n\r\nMy book is not about egalitarian theology per se, but I do have a chapter where I touch on the role of women in the church called, \"Pastor Honey, I Would Have Poisoned Your Banana Bread a Long Time Ago and Other Confessions from the First Church of the Bermuda Triangle\". My book is called, \"Juxtaposed: Finding Sanctuary on the Outside\". (I\'m a big one for titles...) It\'s a comedic, spiritual memoir, which chronicles this girl\'s journey in a crazy, Vegas-show-business family while  trying to navigate my way out of an ultra-conservative, religified, abusive home. I hope I\'m not being presumptuous, but I would love to send it to you as a gift. You can let me know through my website: www.daisyrainmartin.com. I\'m not offended either way! I just loved your post and thought I\'d make a connection. I hope to submit my first article to Provoketive very soon!\r\n\r\nHave a wonderful holiday!\r\nDaisy Rain Martin'),(1334,'royalfamily12@gmail.com',2011,1353465192,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Amy Mitchell\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDaisy, I look forward to hearing more from you!  I really like the title of that chapter.  Sometimes, churches can be an awful lot like the Bermuda Triangle!  I will be sure to check out your web site.  I don\'t find anything you\'ve said to be presumptuous.  I want to encourage you by saying that I think it\'s brave and bold (in a good way) to make those connections and requests!  We\'re told so often that \"good\" Christian women don\'t promote themselves.  Well, you know what?  It\'s not sinful to say, \"I did something I\'d like to share with the world.\"  Good for you! :)'),(1335,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2012,1354133892,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nLove this. A beautiful reminder that simplicity is compelling and necessary sometimes for our own sanity. Long live the Snoopy Dance.\r\n\r\nDaisy Rain Martin'),(1336,'wtwsarahb@yahoo.com',2013,1354209290,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Sarah B\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nIt is a legal requirement for churches in the UK to have written policies on how they will deal with allegations of abuse, to have designated people to whom children can speak \'in confidence\' and an alternate reporting route if one of the advocates is the person against whom an allegation is made. It is a recognised fact that paedophiles will go to any place where there is the potential to gain access to children, this includes church. Press on, sister, with your valuable work and may God continue to bless and heal you.'),(1337,'rowleyfamily97@gmail.com',2014,1354225063,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Michelle R\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you Daisy Martin for bringing this subject into the light instead of hiding away in the darkness. I know how painful it must be for you to speak of this after all those years of abuse.  I admire your passion and zeal for protecting children.'),(1338,'donna@donnaKwallace.com',2017,1354225128,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Donna\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDaisy, thank you for calling us to justice. The Judge of the whole earth rises to show us compassion. May we all join you in taking up a sword and showing our gratitude and imitating God\'s justice: feeding the hungry, welcoming the stranger, clothing the poor, breaking chains, and giving voice to the voiceless.'),(1339,'montanayank@gmail.com',2016,1354225128,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Montana Yankee\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWell said and an important message for everyone. So much long term damage can be done by trusted family and adults. May the right people hear your message.'),(1340,'terri.yaki@rocketmail.com',2018,1354225128,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Terri\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you, thank you, thank you.'),(1341,'holkygurl73@ymail.com',2019,1354244897,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi holly in vegas\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nso incredibly powerful your voice is!!! every word true! i am forwarding this to our church\'s youth pastor and following up with some questions of my own. thank you for being a catalyst of change and healing in the church.'),(1342,'tmhorvet@gmail.com',2020,1354244897,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Teresa\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\" Let Christ do His work in the darkest hearts of those so enmeshed in deceit and manipulation and horror around which the rest of us can’t even wrap our heads. The Church should certainly make sure they have all the cigarettes and socks they’ll ever need or want for the duration of their time in prison.\"\r\n\r\nAMEN TO THAT!  Forgiveness does NOT mean that they can break the law and get away with it.  \r\n\r\nI will be passing on this article and, if he wants to read it, your book to my pastor.  I would love to have you speak to our congregation...and we have the best safeguards in place for our kids, but these charlatans manage to get past those anyway.  If I had my way, they would all be sent to the desert where it is a 2-week walk in any direction and just do bread and water drops by helicopter once a month.'),(1343,'donna@mereimages.org',2015,1354245862,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi DonnaKWallace\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDaisy, thank you for calling us to justice. The Judge of the whole earth rises to show us compassion. May we all join you in taking up a sword and showing our gratitude and imitating God\'s justice: feeding the hungry, welcoming the stranger, clothing the poor, breaking chains, and giving voice to the voiceless.'),(1344,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2021,1354247505,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you so much for writing, Sarah B! It sounds like the UK has figured some things out! The rest of us should follow suit!\r\n\r\nBig love to you!\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1345,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2023,1354247580,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMiss Michelle, it\'s actually liberating to speak of this after all I\'ve been through. Very validating, in fact. And I\'ve spoken at churches that are very receptive to this message. I think people want to do everything they can--they\'re just not sure WHAT to do in situations like this. It\'s definitely something we have to talk about and continue to talk about.\r\n\r\nBig love,\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1346,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2024,1354247746,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you, sir. I get emails and messages through my website all the time from people who are trying to find all the pieces of themselves and put them all back together from the long term damage you\'re talking about. We need to be as proactive as we can in protecting our children. You cannot sweep this subject under the rug.\r\n\r\nLove,\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1347,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2025,1354247828,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMiss Donna, I\'m all about feeding the hungry, welcoming strangers, clothing the poor, breaking the chains, and helping give a voice to those who have none. And i know you are too. Thank you for walking with me on this journey.\r\n\r\nLove you big!\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1348,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2026,1354247899,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nTerri, you\'re welcome, you\'re welcome, you\'re welcome! It sounds as if you have been preaching the same thing... So, thank you, thank you, thank YOU! :)\r\n\r\nLove,\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1349,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2027,1354248008,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMiss Holly, thank you for the forward and for being willing to carry this conversation on to your place of worship! It\'s important! Thank YOU for being a catalyst of change and healing! Let me know what I can do for you!\r\n\r\nLove you!\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1350,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2028,1354248224,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMiss Teresa, I would be thrilled to speak to your congregation any time! Just let me know what I can do for you. Certainly the sociopathic mind of pedophiles is something that few of us will ever understand. Thank you for your love for kids and your commitment for keeping the safe!\r\n\r\nBig love,\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1351,'jim@crossroadsnampa.com',2022,1354250163,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Reverend Jim Halbert\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWell Daisy, you\'ve done it again...used those words to shock and awake the body.  I\'m posting this to my FB page as a great reminder to us all that Jesus had millstones and deep lakes in mind for those who took advantage of the powerless.  It frankly makes me shudder and examine myself to make sure I haven\'t looked the other way with \"good church folk\" in the past.  Lord help us and thanks Daisy.\r\nJim'),(1352,'cat_m@cox.net',2029,1354287637,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Cat Martinez\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSo glad your voice is there offering hope. You already know that you are one of my heros. Lots of Love, Cat'),(1353,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2031,1354295938,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJim, I shudder with you. I think the scariest verse in the Bible is that the laborers are few. What disheartens me the most when I see potential laborers chasing every wind that blows instead of resisting this kind of evil--majoring on the minors, if you will. I want to stand up and challenge people, \"I hope you are as fierce in taking a stand against pedophiles as you are against ________, ________ or ________,\" Fill in those blanks any which way you want. There is so much ridiculous rhetoric surrounding all that supposedly threatens to break down the American family. Psh... here\'s a BIG ONE! If people are really, truly dedicated to keeping families strong like they claim they are, then they would be extremely vocal and active in eradicating child abuse, drug abuse, and poverty as well as being strong advocates for education. Period. \r\n\r\nAnd that\'s all I have to say about that. :)\r\n\r\nSee you Sunday, Pastor.\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1354,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2032,1354296187,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI\'m the HOPE girl! :) And so are you, Catherine Hope! I love you.\r\n\r\n:)\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1355,'jan.alexander@comcast.net',2030,1354297695,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jan Alexander\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDaisy, your words shock and shatter the beliefs and denials of so many.  They awaken the spirit to spring forward to DO something rather than merely talk about abuse. Your words sweep the rotten particles of life from under the rug and make them visible so more people are willing to creep out from behind the closed doors and from hiding under blankets holding secrets within themselves to finally see the light and know that there is help and retribution for the perpetrators that have violated the inner core of their lives.  I pray that this begins a revolution against molestation and abuse of any kind and no matter where it occurs.  And I pray that those in leadership capacities will actively LISTEN to those who have the courage to speak out and help lead them to find their inner self-worth.  Thanks for all you do!  You are amazing!'),(1356,'iluvsummer92@gmail.com',2033,1354329168,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Sarah L\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you Daisy, for being faithful to share your message, for your passion, and for your love for children.  Your words have power, and you are making a difference for many people. God bless you!'),(1357,'Kidnetter@gmail.com',2034,1354332475,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jeanette\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDaisy you so eloquently and passionately call the church to awake from its slumber. Far too often we keep our heads in the sand about the serious issues while lifting up such trivial and petty matters. Time and time again I have listened to stories of the lives of children and youth who have been imprinted with memories that time doesn\'t erase. I am thankful as a Minister that there are advocates such as you who are called to break down our resistance to admitting that this too happens in our buildings and families and children\'s lives. Fight on!'),(1358,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2035,1354379096,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWell, Jan, it\'s official. You will have to start writing for Provoketive too. Thank you so much for your work as a CASA and all you\'ve done in education to bring children to love and safety.'),(1359,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2036,1354379155,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMiss Sarah, you are sweet. Thank you. I know you are loving kids and providing safety too. It takes all of us. Keep it up and keep in touch!'),(1360,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2037,1354379873,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMiss Jeannette, you are a treasure. It is, indeed, heartbreaking to watch people get their panties in a wad over issues and politics and social this-and-that while seemingly oblivious to the #1 threat to families in our culture. (Well, that and drugs. The two coincide often.) I think it\'s just easier to chase down issues that folks can mentally manage... I don\'t know. All I know is, I\'m not waiting around anymore.'),(1361,'Alice.w.gold@gmail.com',2038,1354387475,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Alice gold\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAlways driving it home Miss Daisy. You are one of God\'s wonders! Love who you are and what you do.'),(1362,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2039,1354387602,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI love you too, Miss Alice! Thanks for walking this journey with me, sister!'),(1363,'pblankenship@ses.gtu.edu',2040,1354404492,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi asocialspirituality\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nIncredibly powerful and well written work, Daisy.  It\'s a blessing to be in solidarity with you.  Thank you for your work!'),(1364,'lquerry@verizon.net',2041,1354404493,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDaisy, thank you for your God given boldness to step up and speak out. Thank you for your mission to save, release, rescue and bring children and youth out of abusive molesting situations. Thank you for pulling BACK the rugs in churches to expose the DIRT and crap that\'s been swept under them over the years. We have to do more than just \"pray a hedge of protection\" over the children and young people in our classrooms on Subdays and any other time ot our church outtings. We MUST be the people they can come to, the people that watch out not only for their souls but their lives and their safety....their bodies.\r\nGod help me to take out my sword in a stronger way than ever before. God help me protect our kids. And Daisy God bless you as you step out as you\'re doing and spread the words and knowledge you\'re spreading.'),(1365,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2042,1354406005,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI\'m glad we met, e-friend! Our work will inevitably overlap. Hurry up and graduate. :) I\'m not getting any younger! \r\n\r\nTalk soon,\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1366,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2043,1354406389,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI just want to be swept up in the momentum of what God is doing. This is a huge undertaking, but I\'m getting a sense that many people are ready to take up this cause. Often, people don\'t know what to do. They need answers. I want to work to provide the direction they need. You are a vessel of hope, a vessel of healing. \r\n\r\nLove you,\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1367,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',2044,1354471214,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI called my younger sister Lucy many times when growing up, and the name did suit her on occasion (I being CB on those occasions). One of my favorites was a Sunday cartoon. In the next to last panel, Linus says, \"You know, CB, that life has its ups and downs,\" and CB says in the last, \"Gosh, I hope so.\" I have had cause to repeat that last line to myself many times. It helped pull me out just enough from feeling overwhelmed or set upon. A little laugh at my \"drama\" and then I can ackowledge, \"This, too, shall pass.\" In the end for CB, things don\'t end glorious but with two-feet-on-the-ground peace and acceptance; it is not resignation but hope that keeps him going: \"Maybe I\'ll get to kick that football this time.\"  Good eye, Ray.\r\n\r\nOn a different note, sorry, but \"reality TV\" is not my cup of tea. There is not a single one of them that I have briefly watched that has not left me just a tad sad.'),(1368,'Richard.lee.jones@gmail.com',2045,1354560153,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Richard Jones\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI read this article with great interest. I am a church leader and I recognize the need to do more for children. But the article was incomplete. The writer basically said: \"The church needs to do more to deal with child abuse.\" My response was: \"I\'m all ears. Tell me. Give me some ideas. Where do I start?\" Nope. Nothing like that in the article. Next time, wait until you have more than a rant if you truly want to call people to action. At least suggest an action.'),(1369,'pblankenship@ses.gtu.edu',2046,1354560432,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi asocialspirituality\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for your reply, Richard.  I appreciate your argument.  Before one can respond, one must be educated.  Part of the action/response is education itself.    Education is also a form of action.  Another element, implicit in my argument, is that we need to act by acting together--I suggest creating a national campaign in which all churches participate.  Also see the line at the end of my piece: \"to be continued\".  In my next piece on this issue, I am going to do precisely what you requested--provide one specific example of how the church can response to the problem of child abuse.'),(1370,'mobabyhomeslice@gmail.com',2047,1354818467,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Mo\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWhile I see your points about helping the widowed, the orphans, and those who cannot take care of themselves, the Bible also tells us that if we do not work, we do not eat (2 Thessalonians 3:10) This instruction was given to people who were spending more time running their mouths off and fiddling around instead of working hard to earn a living. \r\n\r\nSadly, in this country, I\'ve seen far too many poor and low income kids walking around with expensive gadgets they can\'t really afford, or spending money of things they really don\'t need, and then they turn around and complain that they don\'t have enough money. We need to seriously reevaluate what a true necessity is, and then find ways to provide those things to people who actually need help, rather than wasting time and resources \"helping\" people in ways that aren\'t actually very helpful. Perhaps what they really need is someone who can help them set up a budget, or someone who can give them a bit of low-cost or no-cost childcare. \"Helping\" doesn\'t always mean throwing money at the problem, like that\'s going to make it go away. \r\n\r\nJesus himself said \"The poor will always be with us.\" Poor people end up where they are for a variety of reasons. Sometimes, it\'s sheer bad luck, like a middle-aged man who gets laid off and can\'t find a new job, or a woman whose husband dies unexpectedly and leaves her with his debts and less income. But other times, it\'s actually due to laziness, bad attitude, or a feeling of entitlement. We absolutely should be helping meet the needs of others, but always with wisdom and discernment.'),(1371,'royalfamily12@gmail.com',2048,1354818634,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Amy Mitchell\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYou just proved my point, as well as the point that the commenter above you made.  I\'m sure you honestly believe you\'ve seen \"too many\" low-income people with gadgets.  Good thing you know them all personally and can ask them how they were acquired and what they plan to do with them, as well as where their money came from.  After all, if they\'re poor, they are obviously receiving benefits and not working, right?  And if they\'re poor, they obviously also don\'t deserve gadgets, no matter how they got them, right?  It\'s refreshing to see that there are still people in this world who know best how to gauge whether or not someone \"deserves\" help.  Good thing we have you to point out who should be helped and who shouldn\'t.'),(1372,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2050,1355194697,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Daisy Rain Martin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you, Paul. I love this article, and I\'m going to share it with about a thousand of my closest friends. This is a conversation that needs to happen.\r\n\r\nBig love to you, brother!\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1373,'pk.jaihanuman@gmail.com',2051,1355365762,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi PreetamDas Kirtana\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for a great article about an important issue. It is indeed child abuse and spiritual abuse. Hmm, there was a Catholic or former Catholic minister, what was his name? Ah, Father Leo Booth, that\'s it, who did some wonderful work and wrote a fantastic book about this some years ago, the 90\'s. Do check him and the book out. That was about the first time I had heard someone else take very seriously the kind of abuse you descibe that i also grew up in and continue (in my forties now) to recover from. It IS heartbreaking:  to instill SUCH fear! Remember \"A Distant Thunder\" and that triology of terror movies that they showed in my childhood church? I do. Still can\'t forget it. True enough, we would have NEVER been allowed to watch such harrowing images on television (when it was finally allowed in the house) when i was ten or eleven, but horror in church, it seemed, was fine. It is severely heartbreaking to at best have a facsimile of a relationship with God and at worst to completely shut out (who wouldn\'t?!) this God, this God that is meant to be and wants to be our greatest comfort. I am grateful for you post. . . and grateful for the relentless love of God that has pursued me and continued to minister to me through the likes of Brian Zahnd, Jimmy Spencer Jr., Shane Claiborne, Andrew Marin, Rob Bell, and many others now. Blessing to you, as together we continue to turn toward the One and share in the wonder of our growing in Love. - PreetamDas'),(1374,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2052,1355439920,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Daisy Rain Martin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI saw that movie series in church as well. Thank God, no permanent damage here. Unfortunately, not everyone can say that. \r\n\r\nI\'ve read Bell (who hasn\'t?) and I will check out the other names you mentioned. Thank you for your post!\r\n\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1375,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',2053,1355800477,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi rumitoid\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI have little doubt that if you were to post this blog at worthychristianforums,com, the first few replies would be asking you if you want to take away their second amendment rights. Or if you support abortion and gay marriage. It is commonly accepted there that liberals are \"haters of America\" and minions of Satan.\" Anything, it seems, that is not squeaky-cliean conservative both politically and religiously is usually stacked like a wonded beast for the hyeinas. Never mind how they talk about the president. I am ill with this ongoing political infection in the Church. Thank you for a very rare treat of love and sanity.'),(1376,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2055,1355801293,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYou are most welcome. Thank you for your post. And I try to love liberally...\r\n\r\n:)\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1377,'wendyheidbrink@yahoo.com',2054,1355801522,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Wendy Heidbrink\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nRight on, Daisy!  I get so sick of the crap that gets posted on fb and you have hit the nail on the head, so to speak!  Thank you for your eloquence but especially for your frankness in addressing an annoying trend!  I am proud to be a liberal Mormon Christian who believes in tolerance not hate!  You rock, girl!\r\nWendy Heidbrink'),(1378,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2056,1355801696,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAh, my Wendy! I appreciate you. I know you love liberally too. \r\n\r\n&lt;3\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1379,'leleann54@hotmail.com',2057,1355803273,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Lisa Osler\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you. Thank you. Thank you.'),(1380,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2058,1355803310,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYou\'re welcome, welcome, welcome.'),(1381,'schastaine@gmail.com',2059,1355841387,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Shannon\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSo very well said.  Daisy, you call \'em like you see \'em and I appreciate that!'),(1382,'Drizzo@cox.net',2060,1355845293,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Dance\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThis is the very reason I reached out and called you. Your words always calm me and give me hope. As you are well awhere of, I am not religious I am spirt-ious. My own word to subscribe my beliefs when I am questioned about God. I have never felt there were rules to praying. As for our President, ( who I love) I love that he is a man who shows kindness. His words came across as a parent not a political official . Thank you for your words you gave to me to give personal peace.  Please keep spreading the wisdom of Dausy Rain! \r\nThank you, your friend.\r\nDance'),(1383,'tmstafford@ruinstitute.com',2061,1355845294,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Tim Stafford\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThe problem of sin and its inextricable nature of violence in man has been a part of mankind\'s history since the fall of man and will continue to be a part of man\'s history. Many atrocities have been waged in the name of God and many atrocities have been waged in the name of atheism. The reality of violence as a part of the nature of mankind is a tribute to the fallen nature of man and as many good things as we attempt to accomplish, the reality is that we can not change mans nature. It is an utter tragedy that the most innocent suffer the most egregious acts and it is certainly not what God ever intended, yet He continues to allow us to be what we are - free to choose and free to fail when we choose the wrong things. However the message of Christmas is a message of hope that although our nature in unchangeable and although are choices are at some level atrocious, the power of grace is able to redeem us in spite of ourselves. My prayers are with all of those families who are suffering the most painful of losses and my prayer for them is that they will see themselves through a journey that proves that God will work out all of these things for the good of those who love HIm and are called according to His purpose.'),(1384,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2063,1355845409,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI love your post and have read it about three times. This is true wisdom. Where I am clearly reacting to what I believe to be shortsighted insensitivity at best and flat out stupid, arrogant and hurtful at worst--you are ever proactive and gracious, digesting every word and \"seeing beyond\" so much more quickly than I, offering mercy where I am still trying to sift through my frustration. I stand by the fact that I wish people would think before they speak and before they click. I still have a sense that this type of fodder needs to be shut down. I also believe that people freak out over posts like these because when the church is challenged or criticized from the outside, those inside call it \"persecution\"; when the church is challenged or criticized by someone on the inside, those who speak out against her are often admonished for stirring up dissension or being divisive. Then what? The church can\'t be questioned? Ah... yucky. So, my darling, I want to know what you think about this because you are phenomenally insightful, you always show so much compassion, and I respect your wisdom so much. How is this done? How do we call out the bull caca on something like this that comes from the church? What is this supposed to look like, and how do we play it out in real life? Because when the church becomes repellant (for lack of a better word) to those who are on the outside, and she\'s clueless as to why and is quick to point her finger at those on the \"outside\"--this is a problem. When she is called to heal but causes harm instead, what say we? And how shall we say it?'),(1385,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2062,1355845409,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI love what my cousin Sarah posted on my Facebook thread and wanted to share:\r\n\r\nDaisy, I think that the majority of our citizens are simply focused on the dear lives lost in this tragedy and the families that they have left behind. Most people are crying with and praying for the residents of Newtown. I agree that too many people are tempted to use tragedies like this to post “sound bites” in defense of their personal opinions. However, I think that this is probably normal. When we see something that scares us as much as the events of this past Friday, we are reminded that this world is not safe. We are reminded that we are fragile and that at any moment we could lose those who are closest to us. I think that in that moment of fear, Satan speaks to us loud and clear. He reminds us of all the other things we fear the most. If we fear guns, he reminds us of that. If we fear the power that others have over us, he reminds us of that. If we fear a world where human life is not valued, he reminds us of that. Then in our fear and hurt we speak words of fear and hurt. As Tim Stafford was fond of saying, “Hurt people, hurt people.” We will hear many hurtful words in the weeks to come, because we are all hurting. Let us remember that we need to be praying for those close to this tragedy, and those who are speaking too loudly, because they are speaking from their hurt and fear. Let us pray for open ears and clear eyes and imaginative solutions. Let us pray for our leaders that they are able to put aside their own hurt and fear, and look critically at the whole picture. \r\n\r\nDaisy, thank you for your willingness to remind us to think before we speak! Love you!'),(1386,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2064,1355845487,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMy friend Leslie also weighed in with wisdom:\r\n\r\nThis is a very interesting read, Daisy. I can\'t comment right now as I have to digest it. I\'ve had the most intriguing conversations with a conservative Muslim and \'Modern\' Muslim here and their views on America, our Western Ways.....it\'s amazing how we are perceived over here. It goes much deeper than I can type on this comment. But, they have some very good points and opinions of how we live and also profess to be \"Christians\". They think anyone white is a Christian. So, now I read your words and I need to think about it.....thanks for giving me something to ponder upon....love your heart.'),(1387,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2065,1355845538,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for your pause. I don\'t think there is enough of that. I would love to have the conversation about how Christians and Americans are perceived around the world. Being able to perceive how you are perceived by others is an incredibly critical life skill. And the church seems largely to lack it. I think that comes from centuries of believing that we have tapped into the Source of all Truth and therefore embody all Truth so it follows that everything out of our mouths must be Truth. We operate in a subculture where authority is not questioned and questions are not encouraged. I have been accused of being bitter and harboring unforgiveness in my heart merely for questioning those in power. I am guilty of many things, but those are not two. And this is turning into a great conversation. I love you. What can you offer me in the way of wisdom? I\'m frustrated that there are those in the church who are so oblivious. They exist in a paradigm that is so arrogant and out of touch with the world around them that they have rendered themselves ineffective. No... not ineffective. Effectively repugnant. I know those are strong words but, believe me, the feelings some have in regard to the church are precisely that. How has the church responded to the angst against her? She\'s become somewhat of a victim. She vacillates between lamenting and rejoicing that she\'s \"persecuted\". She complains, but she also \"counts it all joy\", claiming that darkness cannot have any fellowship with light and that is the reason for the scourge from without. I think she\'s just annoying sometimes. And other times I think she\'s dancing naked on the kitchen table with a lamp shade on her head. But as Sarah will remind me, she is still the Bride. And I am her.'),(1388,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2066,1355845662,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI call \'em like I see \'em. I do. Sometimes it\'s a good thing. I try to hone my powers for good and not evil, but I truly don\'t even know how to effectively deal with situations like these and people who mean well, but they just don\'t look beyond or have an understanding of where their words will land.'),(1389,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2067,1355846159,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDancer, the sound of your voice on the phone had a soothing effect on me as well. You are a light in my life, and I don\'t get to hold you and love on you nearly enough. I know you are so drawn to kindness--you are one of the kindest people I know. You exude love and compassion, and your heart is breaking at this unfathomable sadness. I have no answers. I know nothing, and I\'m not ashamed to admit that. What can we know of these things? This I know: Christ is kind. And you can trust Him implicitly. He\'s got you. And so do I. With tears in my eyes this morning, I tell you, you are my heart, and I am blessed to walk with you on your journey.'),(1390,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2068,1355846307,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n...and someday wipe every tear from our eyes. Love you, brother.'),(1391,'montanayank@gmail.com',2069,1355847438,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Montana Yankee\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\". . .if others aren’t losing, than I’m not winning.” That,sadly, has become the mantra of so many in the country today. And even worse, it\'s become a justification for nasty vitriol, divisiveness and even violence. \r\nAs always, a well-stated, well-thought-out piece of writing, Ms. Martin.\r\nAnd as for God, I for one,do not believe there is a being who is pulling all the strings and makes bad things happen for inexplicable reasons. Things happen. If my father is in a car accident, I don\'t blame him or God for willfully making it happen. What I believe is God and my father are there to comfort me when the bad things do happen. To give me strength to carry on and to help me look for ways to make things better for myself and others.\r\nKeep up the good work. I am so glad that you are a teacher with the clear-headedness, wisdom and compassion to guide at least some of our children wisely and with humor.'),(1392,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2070,1355850206,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMy favorite yankee,\r\n\r\nHonestly, this piece wasn\'t well-thought-out at all--I cranked this out yesterday morning in about 30 minutes before getting in the shower for work because I\'d been grappling with it since about four in the morning. It wasn\'t edited. It was a first draft. I didn\'t even go back and look at it. I posted it to the Provoketive site here as a draft only and wrote to my editor, Jonathan Brink (who I will be writing back today and telling him, \"DUDE! I CAN\'T BELIEVE YOU POSTED THAT WITHOUT FIXING \'EN MASSE\'!\" Haha...) to see if he could tone it down. It had no title, no picture... He wrote me back a few hours later and said, \"I like it. It\'s up now as a feature article.\" So, mistakes and all, it\'s in the books now. He was good enough to name it and find a picture. For that I\'m thankful.\r\n\r\nI am also grateful for the dialogue it\'s created. Some very helpful insight here in this thread, including your own. I appreciate you.'),(1393,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',2071,1355860698,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi rumitoid\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAs I read the lines,\r\n\"Kill those f**g Yankees who have been torturing Iraqi captives\r\nKill those f***g Yankees who ordered them to torture\r\nKill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers\r\nKill them all slowly and painfully\"\r\nmy feet were doing a little two-step as I sat and I could imagine myself and my partner doosey-dooing across the floor at the local Country Western emporium and then I read the line, \"Come on Psy. We can’t dance to that,\" and you can just imagine how embarrassed I felt.  Never would made it on American Bandstand, I guess.'),(1394,'royalfamily12@gmail.com',2072,1355888983,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Amy Mitchell\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYes, yes, yes.  I commented on this on Facebook yesterday as well.  What a couple of friends said was that the problem isn\'t that prayer is \"banned\" but that teachers can\'t or won\'t teach morality.  Yet one of my adolescent friends said (and my 9-year-old, who goes to school in the same town, confirmed) that students are taught the Golden Rule from day one.  My son said that the school motto at his building is for students to be \"respectful, caring, life-long learners.\"  What these other parents wanted, as it turned out, was for teachers to tell students that they shouldn\'t watch inappropriate movies/television and shouldn\'t play inappropriate games.  They want teachers to raise the students, not teach them.\r\n\r\nThese friends also tried to say that this country used to be \"God-centered.\" When were we ever that?  When we butchered the natives, hung people for witchcraft, enslaved Africans, marginalized immigrants, and put Japanese Americans in internment camps?  Those things all happened during supposedly \"godly\" times in this country, but I fail to see godliness in those actions.\r\n\r\nMy husband is also a teacher, and I can confirm that he does, indeed, pray during the school day.  He has also *gasp* talked to students about God when they have asked him direct questions.  He has yet to be fired for either of those things.'),(1395,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2073,1355926433,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi daisyrainmartin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI feel like we\'re \"raging against the machine,\". And when I say \"rage\" I don\'t mean that we\'re hostile or hateful. I simply mean that we are standing in opposition to a huge paradigm that mixes their politics with our religion and says, \"\'Murrrica is a CHRISTIAN country!\" which I don\'t believe for one bit. Or \"\'Murrrica is the greatest nation on EARTH!\" Who says? \"Murrricuns\"? We stand in opposition to the fraction of the church (because certainly not all Christians embrace this mindset) that seems to believe that Jesus hung on the cross and bled red, white, and blue and have no use for a more global world view. God is a global thinker, I believe. I don\'t want to be lumped in with those who are unable to distinguish between their religious and political beliefs. But, as I\'ve asked earlier in this thread, how do those of us who reject that brand christianity walk in unity with those who do? I\'m not prepared to say that this person or that person is not a Christian... but when I don\'t embrace what I believe to be errant, how do I still embrace the person? Especially when that person seems perfectly comfortable rejecting me as well as anyone else who doesn\'t jibe with the way they walk out their beliefs?\r\n\r\nIn the context of education, we do help raise some kids whose parents are remiss in raising their own. It\'s not an easy industry to be in, and I often feel as if I have a target on my back--not from intruders, per se, but by a fraction of society who thinks I am to blame for all the social ills of this country.'),(1396,'wtwsarahb@yahoo.com',2074,1355937495,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Sarah B\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks Amy!\r\nI am a UK based Baptist minister, who often struggles with the too common Protestant devaluing of the flesh, even as we celebrate God Incarnate. It has pleased my heart immensely to hear someone else articulate what I often feel - that God has made the world good and we ignore the blessings we receive daily through our senses. \r\nWhat a telling and timely reminder.\r\nJoy, peace and sensory delight to you this Christmas,\r\nSarah'),(1397,'royalfamily12@gmail.com',2075,1355940236,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Amy Mitchell\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for your kind words!  I hadn\'t realized until talking with our pastor that I had been missing out on some incredible blessings.  I think we sometimes fear that giving in to our senses might make us gluttonous or unappreciative.  But if we focus on why we love what enters our senses, we can keep our focus on God.'),(1398,'Forex_Capital@rocketmail.com',2076,1356198828,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Randal Copeland\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThe puritan center of Christianity is covered in Egyptian symbolism. Now... why do you presume that is?'),(1399,'ms_jenny_girl@yahoo.com',2077,1356201175,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi CassandraToday\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nRandal, it\'s because Joseph and Mary and Jesus had to hide out in Egypt when Jesus was a baby. It says so in the Bible, so it must be factual history.'),(1400,'todd.hwhrv@gmail.com',2078,1356371361,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Fallen missionary\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nRay,\r\nI believe there is real restoration for the humble, broken man.  Yet, God\'s time table is not ours.  In the past I wanted to rush the process.  Once we let it go completely (ministry) then God began to heal us.  I am grateful for His grace.  I can identify that as I share my story other men are more open to share their sin and struggle.  \r\n\r\nIn so many ways I am more fit for ministry than I ever have been in my life.  We did so many things for the Lord overseas.  Yet my personal life was a disaster.  I pray He gives me, like Jonah, a second chance.\r\nWayward missionary'),(1401,'raeleneroth@yahoo.com',2079,1356933793,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Raelene\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSounds a lot like my belief system.  It\'s refreshing to read such an open/honest post.  It seems so many people hold back from admitting their customized belief systems--probably in fear they might be tormented in a pit of fire for eternity.'),(1402,'suzannah.paul@gmail.com',2082,1357250049,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi suzannah | the smitten word\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nwith *our* narratives of grace'),(1403,'suzannah.paul@gmail.com',2081,1357250116,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi suzannah | the smitten word\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\none of the biggest things the church can do is to believe people who say they are being abused--even/especially if they are being abused by a respected church member or staffer.\r\n\r\nso many victims/survivors are disbelieved or even blamed in cases of rape and sexual abuse. and we often privileged abusers with out narratives of grace without creating safe spaces, accountability, or room to heal.\r\n\r\nas for tangible help, locally churches participate in a \"suitcases/backpacks for foster kids\" project. so many kids get taken from abusive and neglectful situations with nothing but the clothes on their back--and sometimes less. this project provides practical basics and toys for kids showing someone is looking out for them. congregants can train as court appointed special advocates, too, to help kids or find out from child and family services what kind of needs they can fill.'),(1404,'pblankenship@ses.gtu.edu',2083,1357250190,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi asocialspirituality\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI could not agree more, Suzannah.  Issues of belief and power are absolutely central to what the Church needs to do in order to respond to child abuse.  Thank you so much for sharing your insight on this very important topic.'),(1405,'sma9231961@aol.com',2084,1357688887,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi theoldadam\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI love that Tebow kid.\r\n\r\nI don\'t like it when athletes point to the sky or pray when they\'ve done something good on the field. I think it makes caricatures out of us and does not help our cause.\r\n\r\nI\'m more the kind that likes to get to know someone, find out their troubles in life, speak a bit about my own to them, and then let that person know what Christ Jesus has done for us...for them.\r\n\r\nI hope Tebow has a great career...somewhere.'),(1406,'jb@thriven.org',2085,1358533231,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jonathan Brink\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI get that Adam.  I think their character speaks louder off the field than on.  But Tebow has shown exceptional character both on and off the field.'),(1407,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',2088,1358705103,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAll good points, thank you. I got it this way from a friend: \"Nothing is more important than the person you are presently with.\" In whatever capacity we may find ourselves, this is true not only for what we might be able to do for them but also what they might be able to do for us. I was advised to earnestly search for the spirit of what is being said, and that is usually about their state of being and not necessarily about the statement of beliefs. Treat the physical first, then the heart, then the mind. We have no way of knowing exactly what is being asked of us or stated to us without an open ear and mind. Imago dei...\"Christ in all his many  disguises\": this is who I am with, no matter what I may think or believe.'),(1408,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',2089,1358705226,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nOops, I forgot to confess that my advice is not always there for me when engaged in things I am passionate about. But I am getting better at promptly apologizing.'),(1409,'alexanderpmarshall@gmail.com',2090,1358714391,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Alexander Marshall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks, Jerry!\r\n\r\nI think you are definitely right to point to the image of God and of Christ in everyone as a reason why we have to take seriously the immediate needs of the person in front of us, even when those needs conflict with making progress toward our own goals for the church or the individual.  Its hard to balance those two priorities, especially when we are engaged in things we are passionate about.  All we can do is keep trying to learn and to listen.'),(1410,'bramc777@hotmail.com',2092,1358979980,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi brambonius\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI know I\'m late, but I wanted to remark that \'it is not good for man to be alone\' is not gendered in non-english languages, and the words \'man\' being used for \'human\' in english does lead to confusion here . In my dutch bible it would say \'it is not good for the human to be alone\'. Only after the woman arrives the gendered word man is used in the story..'),(1411,'reneeronika@hotmail.com',2093,1359004225,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Renee Ronika\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThis is very helpful knowledge, Brambonius. Thank you. Perhaps if the English-language Bible had been better translated, we could have avoided centuries of misunderstanding and misogyny?'),(1412,'bramc777@hotmail.com',2094,1359016349,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi brambonius\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThere are much more things that can be misunderstood and used for misogyny, , but this particular line of reasoning can only work to those who use the English language. The word used is \'Adam\', which means \'humanity\' or \'human\', and is later used as the name for the man (with \'Eve\' meaning life), but the word is not gendered at all. \r\nSee my blog post here: http://bramboniusinenglish.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/masculine-christianity-is-a-privilege-of-the-english-speaking/'),(1413,'tobyandkellyarriu@aol.com',2095,1359919522,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Toby\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybiFEVTzGBU'),(1414,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',2096,1359995175,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi rumitoid\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"...letting replaces getting...\" This says so much. \r\n\r\nIt came to me awhile back that truth was not anything I came to know, hold, and live by. It was not something that I could write down or speak. Pride as much as shame, hope as much as despair, success as much as failure, gain as much as loss, faith as much as doubt were all part of truth. I came to see that paradox was the native tongue of truth, senseless, absurd or insane without experience. \r\n\r\nMy \"spiritual path\" was alcoholism. Like the saint, the addict becomes more and more faithful to the object of their devotion, the revered choice of drink or drug (or wealth or power or fame or other worldly pursuits). \r\nLike the saint, the addict becomes less and less interested and attached to other things in their world. He or she will lose their car, house, teeth, family, and reputation yet never despair of or turn away from this “Beloved.” \r\nLike the saint, when--if--the addict finally reaches a bottom, he or she is almost zenfully clean of worldly trappings. The addict has found renunciation through over-indulgence, non-attachment through over-dependence: a reverse Zen yet nonetheless saintlike discovery about true freedom.\r\nYet in one aspect, the saint and the addict are the same: both are self-destructive (only the addict has a more literal interpretation of this vital spiritual practice).\r\n\r\n Ego appears to have a built-in obsolescence that worldly values look instead to repair. In essence, we are designed to fail in all of our earthly affairs. This is our Awful Mercy. It is the opportunity for our greatest freedom and deepest joy. But what has been made of us by the world says No. Surrender is not an option.'),(1415,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',2097,1359996901,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi rumitoid\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nFunny. Editing is by far my biggest problem in my process. Everytime I sit down in an attempt to make it clearer and more precise, to chip away the excess, I end up with pages and pages more, with maybe three renditions of six or seven paragraphs that I equally like, besides notes jotted everywhere and new files started on subjects oblique to my main points. A hoarder. \r\n\r\nMy first experience with an editor was in \'91, a magazine in New England called \"Patterns.\" It was just a collection of what I felt were incredibly insightful pity sayings that would change any soul that read them and eventually the world. They were accepted with enthusiasm and published without any discussion. As I wrote it, this incredibly insightful pitthy saying should have read, \'Surrender, not self-improvement.\" What was published was the opposite of my intent: \"Surrender not self-improvement.\" \r\n\r\nRecently, I sent an unorganized collection of writing (the other part of editing I don\'t get, which probably disqualifies me as claiming \"Writer\") by invitation to a respected voice in the spiritual community that had his own publishing company. It seemed more than abundantly plain to me that when I wrote about \"the Little Child,\" which I was certain he would recognize from the verse in the Bible, \"Turn, and become as little children,\" it would be understood in its metaphorical meaning. It was not. \"I\'m done with this guy,\" was my righteously indignant thought. I never followed up. Er, maybe I was too hasty.\r\n\r\nI have been working on a book for twenty-nine years. That should tell you a lot about my editing prowess.'),(1416,'rayrayc17@live.com',2099,1362374137,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJeremy,\r\n\r\nI really, really loved this. You did a phenomenal job as always. No one is ever beyond the grasp of God. \r\n\r\nIt should remind us next time we see Westboro Baptist members picketing that we are not called to exchange hatred with them. But we should be reminded that any of them may find the compassion of Christ as well. May it be so. \r\n\r\nThank you again for this article. \r\n\r\nRay'),(1417,'stevdor75@charter.net',2100,1362421170,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Steve Allison\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGreetings from another small town Arkansas boy  (Pocahontas, Rector, and Searcy) now living in Tennessee.  I\'m with you on this.  Sometimes I feel like I\'m living in the Twilight Zone because so many people around me believe what seems to me to be zany, far out, and impossible.  Some of it is fear whipped up by certain media as you said.  And some of the time, they want to believe it, to help prove something their  ego has invested in, I guess.'),(1418,'rayrayc17@live.com',2101,1362421310,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHey Steve,\n\nThanks for the comment. That\'s a great point about ego. I suppose there comes a point too where someone just invests so much that they can\'t give it up or it is hard to alter their world view. For that matter, I guess that\'s true of most of us. \n\nGood to hear from a fellow Arkansan.'),(1419,'daisydaisychick@yahoo.com',2103,1363116984,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Daisy Rain Martin\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI loved this too... Very brave pilgrims, indeed. \r\n\r\nDaisy Rain'),(1420,'kristenrosser@hotmail.com',2104,1363838276,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Kristen Rosser\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for this.  I\'ve been suspecting this to be the case, which is why I have not boycotted chocolate companies despite the voices that insist I\'m a bad person for not doing so.'),(1421,'kiva@themindfulword.org',2105,1363838836,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi kiva\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWow, 29 years huh? That\'s quite an epic piece of work! Yup, editing can be quite baffling. I find what helps me is to just know that I\'m not perfect, will never attain perfection and to just let go and do with what is. In the end if I get something that\'s good enough and gets the point across I\'m fine with that.'),(1422,'kiva@themindfulword.org',2106,1363840017,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi kiva\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for the insightful comment. That\'s a really good point about addicts and saints. Both are paths of destruction. A good, Shiva kind of destruction!'),(1423,'wtwsarahb@yahoo.com',2108,1364231635,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Sarah B\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGood meaty stuf here! On the relevance issue; the US context is different to the UK context, however, it is a truth universally acknowledged that kids can spot fakes a mile off. So, if you like classical music and read detective fiction, don\'t pretend to be a fan of Green Day and the Twilight series, but make sure you keep enough tabs on contemporary culture that you at least know what they\'re talking about. OR go completely the other way, deny all knowledge but ask what it is that attracts them to that music/book/tv show/ computer game and build links for parallel things in your life.\r\nEven in a UK setting, I found Mark Yaconelli\'s book \'Contemplative Youth Ministry\' really challenged me about how I did my work. Contemplation really does not seem very cool or relevant, but every group I tried it with found ways to engage with silent reflection. It may also, if those running the adult programme get them to engage with it, help with the transition into regularly worshipping with the rest of the congregation...\r\nMight come back to add more on other subjects when I\'m not up to my eyeballs researching for an essay on the imprecatory prayers of Jeremiah!'),(1424,'Youthministry@crescentonline.org',2109,1364316534,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Adam Rauscher\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThe opening description of the blatant apathy youth ministry faces was great to read. It made me feel less alone. \r\n\r\nOn the question of relevance, many religious people with a conservative bent confuse the medium with the message. Christian theology has been successful for nearly 2000 years; it doesn\'t need to be updated. However, there is a long history of updating the delivery method. Jesus did not speak in English, yet we do not require Christians to learn Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic. We have no record of His singing hymns and the organ had not been invented yet, but these are considered part of the \"traditional\" worship service. Most of the hymns we sing were written more than 1000 years after His ministry. \r\n\r\nGiven this, why do we balk at using email, twitter, or YouTube? If there are objections to the content, that is a valid concern. Some media will affect the content detrimentally. Composing a theologically sound tweet is very difficult. However, if we resist newfangled styles and art forms, we risk losing the next Sistine Chapel or Bach mass or Guttenberg Bible. Just being able to search the BIble electronically is a huge improvement and one students get behind.'),(1425,'alexanderpmarshall@gmail.com',2110,1364317332,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Alexander Marshall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for your comment, Sarah!  Appreciate you taking time out of paper writing to read this and respond!  I\'m wading into researching Paul\'s theology of the Lord\'s Supper for a paper myself, understand the academic time crunch well (and its Holy Week on top of it all!).\n\nYou are definitely right to point out that our answers to the \"relevance\" question will be, in some sense, dependent on our context.  Which is part of what relevance is about!  I like the idea of turning the issue around, asking youth to explain what they find meaningful about the things that interest them.\n\nYour second thought is also really interesting.  I think challenging youth to engage with a practice that is \"out of the ordinary\" for them can be really helpful to their spiritual development.  Thanks for a great example of that!  And good luck on the Jeremiah paper!  Look forward to hearing more of your thoughts when you get the chance/need another study break!'),(1426,'alexanderpmarshall@gmail.com',2111,1364317494,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Alexander Marshall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for commenting, Adam!  I\'m glad the article spoke to you.  Youth ministry can be lonely work, but you aren\'t alone.\n\nI think you are spot on about the inevitability of the \"medium\" being updated with time.  Great point made there!  Of course we have to be mindful of the way changing the medium can and does change the message, but we also have to communicate the message in a way that is accessible to our society in the present world.  Its an interesting balance that has to be struck.  Thanks for your thoughts, look forward to hearing more!'),(1427,'pollyp2167@gmail.com',2112,1364486521,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Polly Pierce\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAlexander, \r\n\r\nAs I was reading your post, all I could think was, \"it would be so much fun to sit down with this guy over a cup of coffee and dialog about youth ministry!\"\r\n\r\nA little bit about myself, and my views: I am new to youth ministry, 18 months to be exact.  Not only am I new at this, but I am also doing children\'s ministry as well in our church.  I love each of these ministries, and so honored to have the opportunity to do both (I think that is a completely different conversation to be had!). In the past 18 months, I have decided to simply lead with Christ!  \r\n\r\nI could write a paper probably on each of your proposed questions...so many thoughts, but just a few I will mention. \r\n1) relevance vs. non-relevant: depending on your kids, I think it is completely fine to do both. Kids need to have nonsensical fun, as well as guidance and shepherding. Whats wrong with doing both? Technology can be used - especially if people have done the work already for you, i.e. you tube videos, created lesson plans, games, etc. But this doesn\'t exempt you from still preparing and making it fit your kids. Its when these technologies take over in your ministry, that it becomes a problem. \r\n2) Where do we put the kids? IN THE SERVICE!!! Yes, lets all face it, every Sunday\'s service isn\'t a home run - the adults are even board some time, but that doesn\'t stop us from sending them to their own room?  If you are worried about kids becoming disengaged during the service, then look to how to engage them - show a video, have them help with projections, include them - they have two hand, two feet and a brain - they can help too!\r\n3) Who\'s going to lead it? How did you know exactly what I am going through? I am an organized being, who knows how she likes things done, and so usually does it on her own.  But I have found, this doesn\'t work! I have a youth committee that is awesome. I am working to be transparent with them, letting them know all that is going on.  I have also been challenged by my senior pastor to change my language with them to get them to do more things. I will get back to you on this one. \r\n4) Evangelize vs safe place/ friends? I like to look at this in a different light - try looking at it as creating disciples or shepherding youth. There is definitely a time for lounging and chilling, but there is also time for instruction. Jesus didn\'t just sip wine with his disciples all of the time.  In a previous job, the catch phrase was, \"teachable moments\".  We are called to live in community. \r\n5) Theology vs. Ethics? How about Jesus? I grew up Baptist, and now work at a Lutheran church - two sides of the spectrum theologically. It has been a challenge, but I believe during this time, God has stretched me in my own faith.  I think there is a time and place for theology, but to intensively focus on it, I would disagree with....I have read a couple blogs about this question as well. There many organizations out there teaching kids good ethics and morals, which is all good. But if we don\'t teach Jesus, then our kids aren\'t going to know Jesus. \r\n6) Certainty vs doubt? I come back to shepherding and walking with our youth. Educate them, but also challenge them. \r\n7) How do we do that at our church?  I think it is the hardest question to answer.  What works at one church, maynot work at another. SO FRUSTRATING!!! All I can say to this is, Go with God, let him lead the way. Take small steps, lay out a plan of attack, don\'t be afraid to fail, its not about the program you are doing, but building relationships with the people involved. Pray!\r\n\r\nSorry I was so long winded!!  Peace to you!'),(1428,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',2114,1364623749,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSick drama, as if drama on its own wasn\'t sick enough.'),(1429,'raojahanzaibsaeed@gmail.com',2115,1364627738,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Rao Jahanzaib Saeed\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJerry Lynch. Every one has their own opinion :)'),(1430,'alexanderpmarshall@gmail.com',2116,1364750522,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Alexander Marshall\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks so much for your comment, Polly!  Would love to talk more about youth ministry, if you are ever in Connecticut let me know!\n\nI think you are exactly right in your call for a balance to be struck on most of these questions.  I think you are also exactly right to say that churches should be looking for ways to engage with youth in their worship service and thereby invite them to take part in worship with the community rather than separating them out from it.\n\nI also think you are onto something about the necessity and challenge of working with a team.  If you come up with any great insights on how to deal with that, please let the rest of us know!\n\nFinally, your last point is great!  \"Take small steps, lay out a plan of attack, don’t be afraid to fail, its not about the program you are doing, but building relationships with the people involved. Pray!\"  Amazing advice!  Thanks for that.\n\nPeace to you and Happy Easter!'),(1431,'logeetha08@hotmail.com',2117,1365098198,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi logeetha\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n(Y) and Jerry Lynch every one has their own opinion indeed.'),(1432,'awkukla@gmail.com',2118,1365727457,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Andrew Kukla\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWow - never replied to your question. (Don\'t even bother with how I\'m just now realizing this.)  My apologies.  Better late than never?\r\n\r\nI would respond in 2 ways.  First is to argue that apocalyptic eschatology is less about telling the future as literal history-to-be than it is painting a divine world view aimed at inspiring current change of heart in line with God\'s desires for God\'s people.  (Because we imagine such-and-such to be the case you should act now in such a way that your life is in line with this end result.)\r\n\r\nSecondly, its probably very important to note that neither the sheep nor the goats are aware of their wrong/right living.  The text itself resists judgement from any but the Human One, even self-judgment.'),(1433,'myfastballrises@gmail.com',2120,1365733070,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Andrew\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nRay, I admire your courage in confessing your shortcomings.  And I am certain that many \"fallen\" former pastors need to hear your empathy and sympathy as they recover from their sin.  \r\n\r\nI\'ve read your blog and the comments.  But I disagree with the premise that a pastor who has committed adultery can be restored to ministry.  Ministry is not a right; it\'s a privilege that can be lost.  \r\n\r\nThere is no place in Scripture that says the call the church leadership is irrevocable.  In fact, it can be lost.  If it could not be lost, then Paul would not have set forth the qualifications for overseers and deacons (1 Tim 3).  Judas Iscariot was once called by Jesus to be one of The Twelve.  Judas forfeited that privilege.  Paul was keenly aware that preachers could be disqualified from that calling (1 Cor 9:27).  And Jesus had a dire warning for those causing another person to sin (Lk 17:1-3).  These are but a few of the pieces of Scripture\'s standards for those aspiring to church leadership.  \r\n\r\nAnd to the verses you cited (John 8:1-11), they relate to forgiveness of sin, not to restoration of ministry after self-disqualification.  I know that God has forgiven you.  And more power to you and thank God for your wife\'s love and grace and forgiveness.  I hope that all \"fallen\" pastors experience the support that you have.  \r\n\r\nBut forgiveness and restoration to church leadership are not one and the same.  Your salvation is intact, but not your calling to lead the church again.  I have a seminary degree (and a law degree) and so I can say this: it doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to lead the church.  Pastors do not need to be brilliant.  But they need to be faithful and obedient.  A pastor loses his qualifications to lead the church by adultery.  We respect our pastors not because they are geniuses, but because they obey God.  They are to be imitators of Christ.  \r\n\r\nThere was a reason why Billy Graham categorically refused to be with any woman that was not his wife.  The Reverend Graham\'s practices became policy in what is still known as the \"Billy Graham\" Rule.  It may be challenging at times to adhere to it, but certainly not impossible.  \r\n\r\nAnd for the pastors who have been \"restored\" to ministry by their congregations and who believe that they are now even MORE qualified to minister after they committed adultery, it is written that the heart is \"deceitful above all things and beyond cure.  Who can understand it?\" (Jer 17:9).  Our subjective rationalizations about our sin do not supersede God\'s objective hatred for sin.  \r\n\r\nI know that you have thought about and struggled with this issue more than I have.  And I thank you for keeping an open mind and permitting me to post this comment and for being willing to engage in dialogue about this matter.  I am not writing this intending to change your perspective about \"post-fall\" ministry.  \r\n\r\nBut I do not understand how \"post-fall\" ministry can be rationalized when Scripture and common sense indicate otherwise.  To rationalize a \"fallen\" minister\'s restoration back to the pulpit is contrary to the Word of God and denigrates the call to ministry and diminishes the obedience of the many pastors who minister faithfully to their flock and families.  \r\n\r\nRay, may God bless you and your family.  May your life and marriage prosper.  If we never meet in person this side of eternity, we will in the next.  Thank you for hearing me out.  \r\n\r\nAndrew'),(1434,'rayrayc17@live.com',2121,1365733234,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nAndrew,\n\nThank you for stopping by. I always appreciate a reasoned response. You raise good points. Take care and God bless. \n\nRay'),(1435,'myfastballrises@gmail.com',2123,1365738546,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Andrew\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nRay, \r\n\r\nI do believe that God is using you to minister to other similarly situated former pastors.  AND ... I also believe that with your experiences and heart for the \"fallen,\" you can pray much more effectively for us who are in ministry and need to continually safeguard our marriages.  \r\n\r\nAll red-blooded male pastors are vulnerable to temptation.  Plainly, if it happened to you, then it can happen to me.  But it won\'t happen to me if I listen and learn from you.  Even if you never preach from a pulpit again, I would come to hear a seminar you give to pastors about the pitfalls of ministry.  \r\n\r\nSo hang in there.  And please continually for the rest of us to be faithful.  We need it.  We\'re not any different than you are.  May God show you your new calling.  \r\n\r\nAndrew K. Wong\r\nmyfastballrises@gmail.com'),(1436,'survivorsguidetolife@gmail.com',2124,1365791909,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi David\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nRay,\r\n\r\nAlthough eloquently said, I disagree with Andrew and I believe his law degree has colored his ministry... guilty or innocent. The guilty pay; the innocent move on with their lives. Of course, that is not at all what the gospel is about. \r\n\r\nYes, there are verses of Scripture that urge the church to choose pastors strong in faith and character... of course! It would be foolish to put a new believer or someone of questionable character in a position of overseeing the church. But that isn\'t what we are talking about. Your blog is not about \"tips for a pulpit search committee\" but about the ministry of a man who has made a tragic mistake. \r\n\r\nNowhere in Scripture does it say a sinful mistake disqualifies a pastor. That is the conclusion of sinful man. Paul\'s comment about beating his body so that he wouldn\'t be disqualified for the prize isn\'t some legalistic mandate that a sin disqualifies a pastor or anyone else from serving his calling. And that is what it is, a calling from Almighty God. It is neither a \"right\" NOR a \"privilege.\"\r\n\r\nThe Bible is filled with flawed characters God used. Did they pay a price for their failures? Sure. Were they disqualified from service? No.\r\n\r\nThe truth is, a sin does not disqualify a man from ministry in the eyes of God. Only other men do that. (And why stop with adultery? How about a little coveting, or anger, been quarrelsome with the deacons lately?, lover of money, or gluttony...should a man be disqualified from ministry because he leads the flock to get another piece of pie at the picnic? We wouldn\'t have any pastors left! )  \r\n\r\nI do believe, however, it is difficult, if not impossible, for a man who committed adultery to return to the pulpit. There is no scriptural basis for that, but definitely a practical one, or one of \"common sense.\" The trust bond is broken and cannot be completely restored, making pastoral ministry virtually impossible. Plus, there are enough people out there like minded with Andrew that building a viable ministry would be difficult, indeed. I think the few that attempt it would have to focus their ministry on struggling, un-churched people who are not terribly concerned about what does or doesn\'t \"disqualify\" someone .... what a concept!\r\n\r\nBlessings. Keep the faith.\r\n\r\nDavid'),(1437,'rayrayc17@live.com',2125,1365792181,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDavid,\n\nYou have seen the crux of the issue I think. I agree with you friend. But don\'t be too hard on our friend Andrew. He has a lot of energy and love for God. Reminds me of me back in the day. \n\nGreat insights by everyone. Everyone is welcome to their opinion.'),(1438,'Survivorsguidetolife@gmail.com',2126,1365792551,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi David\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMy opinion is all I\'m offering my friend. As to being hard on Andrew, was I any harder on him than he was on you? Telling a man his calling and career is forever over is pretty hard if you ask me.'),(1439,'rayrayc17@live.com',2127,1365793436,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDavid,\r\n\r\nI was going for a little tongue in cheek. Yeah, he wrapped his truth in a brick and tossed it. But like I said, his biblical viewpoint matches mine pre-fall. I still believe my viewpoint now is biblical, just that I step back a little to see the trees.'),(1440,'iancron@gmail.com',2147,1366340269,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ian Morgan Cron\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nHi Jake, \r\n\r\nI just wanted to thank you for taking the time to read and write a review my book. I\'m grateful.\r\n\r\nCheers,\r\n\r\nIan'),(1441,'wjkampe@comcast.net',2148,1366340462,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jake Kampe\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nYou\'re very welcome, Ian. Thank you for hooking me up with Katie for a copy. I enjoyed reading it again. Let me know when the next trip is to Assisi!  I\'m there!  Peace &amp; Blessings!'),(1442,'revloricotten@yahoo.com',2156,1366842424,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Lori C\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI love this poem! I\'m the coward.  I\'m the seeker, wanderer kneeling at the foot of the Throne, asking Jesus to help me to stand up for what I believe in... asking Jesus to help me to stand alone... except, perhaps, for Him.\r\n\r\nThank you, Joy!  Awesome!'),(1443,'joyleewilson@gmail.com',2157,1366842806,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Joy Wilson\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nLori, I think Paul, Peter, and Martin Luther King were no different than us in their internal battles, yet lived out their faith publically.  I\'m reminded that God looks at the heart, but calls for action.  God help us all!'),(1444,'mary@marydemuth.com',2168,1367275518,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Mary DeMuth (@MaryDeMuth)\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThank you for reviewing the cookbook!'),(1445,'courtneywitmer@gmail.com',2159,1367502162,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Courtney\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI very much enjoyed this post. This is an issue that has always left me with a deep-seated discomfort - not homosexuality itself, but rather the way that the church responds to those who pursue same-sex relationships. I want to be careful, given that Scripture does speak against same-sex relationships; however, the thought that someone would think that I hate them or hope that they would \"burn in hell\" based on their sexual orientation is deeply disturbing to me. It is very refreshing to be reminded that Jesus SIMPLY commanded us to love each other, and not to police others\' actions; furthermore, that the church is not to dictate the laws of secular society.  Good point that you made about divorce being legal as well; perhaps we don\'t push back against it simply because it has become so common-place, and we are more used to it?'),(1446,'rayrayc17@live.com',2173,1367518443,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGreat stuff! Why am I only now reading this? I think a strong stand is very appropriate, especially since most denominations have taken such a weak approach to the issue. \r\n\r\nWhen it gets down to it, protecting our children is not just a spiritual issue, its a legal issue as well. The church has been weak on this and some denominations are just now seeing this.\r\n\r\nYou are welcome to guest blog at my site anytime, Daisy!'),(1447,'cindysmusicstudio@comcast.net',2176,1368063167,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Cindy Holman\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nRay - it\'s a great idea.  Let\'s do it!'),(1448,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',2189,1368197178,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI would suggest fellowship meetings of a nature similar to AA meetings. Almost any typical AA meeting naturally includes confession and testimony. It is not a bake sale or potluck or Bible study. Mostly it is about brokenness and the solution. I feel that small, tightlyknit congregations are vital to re-invigorate the church, as practiced in AA. Service to others is heavily emphasized, the primary purpose. We are to be of maximum service to others through a direct and loving relationship with God. \r\n\r\nBeing \"saved\" and knowing Scripture and being seen as a true Christian often act to inhibit honest relationships. Love is the whole purpose of truth. For that love to come forth requires entering into actual relationships with people. For the meetings to work, they must be a \"come as you are\" gathering. For the meetings to work, there are no experts or quick scripture-fixing. For the meetings to work, they must be heart to heart communication, not doctrine and teaching. Christ gave us a spirit of action, not a system of belief.'),(1449,'khadijahafeez.dj@gmail.com',2191,1368205856,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Khadija\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nBeautifully summarized :)'),(1450,'lynnrnj@bellsouth.net',2195,1368557652,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Terry Appleberry\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI was reading another article when I saw this one. Not a coincidence at all. I gad a drwam last night. Prayed about it and received confirmation through your article. Thank you.'),(1451,'moggys-galore@hotmail.co.uk',2198,1368712743,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi intelligent review\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nintelligent review'),(1452,'pereznata2@gmail.com',2199,1368749939,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi william hamel\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThe church needs the faith of the people to continue guiding and supporting new people who want to belong to the church and find the faith they need to achieve their life projects.'),(1453,'zaheerkhokhar@hotmail.com',2200,1368786989,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi zaheer khokhar\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nbeauitfully summariezed \r\nrao jounier .'),(1454,'ed@inpulsearts.com',2207,1370475482,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ed\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nLet me say that I am not opposed to gay people at all. I am a Christian and have faults of my own, and I am not into any kind of \"activist\" movement. As long as the gay lifestyle doesn\'t come into a clash with my own lifestyle, then I am fine with it. But here\'s the problem I face: unless the meaning of homosexuality today is way different from the biblical meaning of homosexuality, then we Christians today are supposed to be totally against it, and while we don\'t always have to be vocal about it, we can\'t tiptoe around the subject either. There are both psychological problems as well as moral problems with homosexuality. Not always, but sometimes. The recent explosion of homosexuality activities, as well as news of actors/actresses/sports figures coming out is an indication of how serious the problem is: gay people generally want to attract attention to themselves. . I often wonder \"why?\" For the most part, nobody cares that a basketball star is gay, no one cares if a movie/tv star is gay. Being gay...being Christian...when it comes down to it, it doesn\'t do anything outwardly. It\'s all an internal thing. When you cry out out that you live a different lifestyle all it does is bring you the 15 minutes of fame, after that, it fizzles. Without sounding condemning; claiming to be a \"Gay Christian\" is a shot at hypocriticism. Just as being a Liberal Christian is another shot at hypocriticism. Listen, when did Paul ever say \"I have the right to do anything, because everything is beneficial. \"I have the right to do anything\"--but not everything is constructive.\"? \r\nI agree...gay Christians are not perfect, and they do exemplify the \"Not perfect\" without actually doing so, which is a slap in the face for so many straight Christians. But they are just like so many other Christians in that they DO tend to push their worldly identity in front of their heavenly identity.\r\nI just strongly believe it\'s time for Christians...ALL Christians, to do away with titles. If you ARE in Christ, then you have the mind of Christ, and you ACT like Christ. I WILL ALWAYS refer to a Brother or Sister in Christ as being Christian. Nothing more matters to me.'),(1455,'tim@timmccollum.com',2208,1370552002,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Tim McCollum\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nFirst, let me thank you for reading my article and for taking the time to share your thoughts and beliefs about this issue. As I wrote in my article, this issue requires humility and a great capacity to love in all of us. And it’s with this in mind that I’d like to respond to your comments.\n\nI believe there are millions of people who might feel the same way you do if they were not gay.\n\nQuestion is, what exactly is a “gay” lifestyle? What exactly is “straight” lifestyle? I agree with your notion that it would be nice if Christians would just be “Christians.” But there are at least two problems with this notion: First, it denigrates the genuine reality of concrete human existence. We are more than just amorphous persons—we are white, black, gay, straight, Greek, Roman, male, female, American, Russian, smart, stupid—and these roles can be rightly used with the word “Christian.” Second, the reason Gay Christian is being used as a term in the first place is because of discrimination and exclusion by most Christians. The label is necessary as long as Christians continue to express hostility towards the gay community. Gay people are not narcissists, and they are not looking for attention—they are seeking social justice, equality under the law, social rights and benefits. The recent “explosion” of gay “activities” is due to greater social acceptance—not a sign of a problem. Homosexuality is not a fad, a disease, or a trend—it\'s a deep-seated aspect of millions of human beings with dignity who are seeking to be given the same rights and social benefits as others. Over 78 large, blind, reputable studies conducted by unbiased psychological and social science experts have shown that there are no inherent psychological problems or deficiencies with gay people as gay per se. You can easily Google \"gay mental health\" and see for your self.  Additionally, many of the problems some gay people encounter can be traced to social discrimination. Homosexuality is a naturally occurring variation, not an illness or misadaptation.\n\nFinally, I would ask, what interpretive principles do you use for your understanding of Scripture? Since the word “homosexuality” was not invented until at least 100 years ago, and it was not printed in the Bible until the 1946 RSV, and there is no Greek or Hebrew equivalent for this word, it’s reasonable to understand that Paul was probably not referring specifically to homosexuality as we culturally understand the word today. The theologian Cornelius Plantinga defines sin as the “culpable disruption of shalom.” This fits hermeneutically more precisely with Paul’s meaning (in the phrase you used) than incorrectly using it to elevate homosexuality as a “sin” above other sins. The Bible really does not fully address the topic of homosexuality. Jesus never talked about it. The prophets never talked about it. In Sodom homosexual activity is mentioned within the context of rape (raping angels nonetheless), and in Romans 1:24-27 we find it mentioned within the context of idolatry (Baal worship) involving lust and dishonorable passions. 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 talk about homosexual activity in the context of prostitution and possibly pederasty. Nowhere does the Bible talk about a loving and committed homosexual relationship. The only thing the authors of the Bible knew about homosexuality was that which they saw expressed in the pagan worship of Baal, the temple prostitution, et cetera. If we follow the flawed logic and eisegesis of the literalist’s interpretation of these passages, we could also conclude that David’s adulterous affair with Bathsheba is an indictment of heterosexual sex and marriage.\n\nAs to my liberal hypocrisy, I just sound like a liberal Christian because I believe hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure and not gay marriage.  True hypocrisy, however, lies with those who after encountering Jesus, still feel He is not Christian enough for them.\n\nThanks again for reading my article and I hope you check in often. You can also follow me on my blog, \"the art of pew sitting\" (timmccollum.com).  Grace and Peace be with you.'),(1456,'lynch.gerard@yahoo.com',2209,1370879518,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi jerry lynch\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWnnerful, wunnerful, wunnerful. I cannot thank you enough for both the blog and your comments. This is the first time in this ongoing discussion where I experienced being grounded, not up in the air (euphemism for truly confused) on this issue. I have taken the liberty of copying your words and would like your permission to send them to friends as well as quote you, with a proper cite, in other forums on this topic. What a relief.'),(1457,'tim@timmccollum.com',2210,1370886435,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Tim McCollum\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for your comments, Jerry.  You may have my permission.  I hope, however, this is not a substitute for your own, personal wrestling and study about his issue.  May grace and piece be with you.'),(1458,'brentlou@gmail.com',2211,1370918217,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Brenton\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI interesting forum. I got saved aged 8, preached my first sermon in Sunday school aged 13, baptised at 19, youth leader with a powerful revival aged 20 to 24, then entered full time business till age 30, then started preaching Sundays and continued for 5 years. No moral sin, single, no drugs, alcohol, a virgin and unmarried and sold out to God all this time. THEN - Spiritual abuse and manipulation by pastor, cult - like control over my life, unbelievable dual pressure from work and church. I resigned all church leadership, ceased public ministry and for 4 years, and sought out the very worst forms of sin I could find- sex with prostitutes, opiate addiction, strip clubs. I never thought it could happen to me. You don\'t know how fragile you are until you get hit hard, and repeatedly. I have since rededicated my life to Jesus, He didn\'t hurt me, a deceived man did. But He never gave up on me and His calling on my life. He stayed faithful and I believe I will again return to public ministry, if only to share His incredible, faithful, unconditional love. Who are we to judge another man\'s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And in the end, he shall stand. Blessings, Brent.'),(1459,'rayrayc17@live.com',2212,1370918348,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nBrent,\n\nThank you for sharing. Times can be difficult and I am sorry you suffered. May God bless you and may you trust in Him.'),(1460,'kristenrosser@hotmail.com',2219,1371161403,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Kristen Rosser\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI love that observation: Jesus always calls women upward and men downward.  The passage about marriage in Ephesians 5 does the same:  men are called to imitate Christ in the way He gave Himself and lay down His life, and men are also to draw women up as Christ draws the church up to be glorious.'),(1461,'tim@timmccollum.com',2220,1371173971,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Tim McCollum\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks for your comment, Kristen.  I hope you check in often. You can also follow me @ timmccollum.com.  Grace and Peace be with you.'),(1462,'cathvyse@aol.com',2213,1371342467,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Autumn\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI really relate to your post. There is so much good stuff that flows through Metallica\'s lyrics which, as a Christian, I relate to. I love Unforgiven 1, 2 &amp; 3 which, if you really listen, charts a journey of healing and redemption, from \"Never Free, Never Me, So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN\"  to \"How can I be lost? In remembrance I relive. And how can I blame you. When it\'s me I can\'t forgive? \"\r\nThanks for your insightful post :)\r\nAutumn x'),(1463,'rayrayc17@live.com',2222,1374212441,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGood thoughts going on here. Of course, Jesus said in Matthew 20: \"But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, and whoever would be first among you must be your slave, even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”\r\n\r\nYou\'re right on a very important level. We often forget the compassionate way in which Christ operated. Too often, our focus is on his death (which it should be) and we forget how he treated people. I don\'t think many people even examine it in too much detail.\r\n\r\nPersonally, as a former Southern Baptist minister, I know that many churches spent a lot of time on Christ\'s death. Yes, it is quite important as it shows his sacrifice, our redemption, his love, etc.\r\n\r\nBut have we been screaming his death out so loud that we have muted the need for things in Christian culture like forgiveness, humility, compassion, empathy, community, and authentic love? I think we have lost the meaning of community somewhere. And I think your post here is a good way for us to examine ways Christ deal with a lot of people and the love in which he did it.\r\n\r\nMay we follow his example so that we and our communities of faith might be a place of ministry, love and refuge for all.'),(1464,'surfergirl54@icould.com',2246,1380301023,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Penelope\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nActually, at the risk of sounding \"judgmental\" you are both wrong.  We ARE called to judge--in fact, scripture is clear in 1 Peter 4:17 \" For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?\"  Furthermore, Jesus did NOT tell us to simply forgive, nor did He call us into a \"cheap grace\".  Jesus told us to rebuke first and IF the person repents, then forgiveness is extended.  Luke 17:3 \"Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, \'I repent,\' forgive him.\"  There is no evidence that Joe Paterno ever repented, but instead, he covered up his sin and the sin of those under his leadership.   So did Sandusky.  This is not to be minimized nor forgiven in the absence of repentance.  Furthermore, the grace extended to us as reconciled believers does not mean that our own sin \"doesn\'t count\".  Paul says very clearly \"not counting people\'s trespasses against THEM\" (2Cor 5:19), but rather, counted against Christ!  This means our sin DOES count--just not against us, but against Jesus.  There is a huge difference.  Christ paid it,  Christ was defiled for us, so our sin counts against HIM, rather than against US.  THAT is reconciliation, done by God toward us thru Christ, and it occurs when we repent, not before.  Jesus death for us cost Him everything.  We need to recognize that so as to not cheapen what was done on our behalf.  There is a cost to sin.'),(1465,'jb@thriven.org',2248,1381191149,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jonathan Brink\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nMarie, you are welcome to your opinion.'),(1466,'viola1098@yahoo.com',2247,1381191150,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Marie Chen\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nSorry -but I just don\'t get listening to Metallica. Lawful?? maybe /Expedient ??- I doubt it very much. Popular songs  take the Glory from God and focus it elsewhere.  It\'s all earth bound &amp; man centered.\r\nI doubt that they\'re taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.\r\nNot to mention it just sounds plain awful!!'),(1467,'derekchristopher@yahoo.com',2252,1383156969,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Derek\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\n\"Premieres\" I meant to say.'),(1468,'derekchristopher@yahoo.com',2251,1383156969,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Derek\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nDid you sell this idea to NatGeo? They\'re doing this exact idea, even with the name \"Church Rescue,\" and it premiers Nov. 11th, 2013.'),(1469,'rayrayc17@live.com',2253,1383156972,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Ray Carroll\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nWell, what do you know. No, unfortunately I did not sell this idea to them.'),(1470,'wjkampe@comcast.net',2257,1387413874,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jake Kampe\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nThanks Bob. I don\'t run Provoketive, but use Disques on my personal blog.'),(1471,'bobholmes1@gmail.com',2256,1387413874,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Bob Holmes\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nGreat article Jake! May I humbly suggest Disqus as a cmmenting platform. This style of commenting took me 20 min and several trys to comment. Check it out at my wee blog.'),(1472,'zosmamasoz@gmail.com',2258,1391468895,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi zo\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nchurch or congregations make up half a percent of world population. even if am wrong could there be 90% of people needing salvation today. There are many hurting so bad, in disease and debts and pain , who have never heard of Christ. you can raise someone from the dead and turn an entire community to Christ.\r\nthe harvest is plenty and the labourers are few , not the other way around.\r\n the synagogue of those who reject you can be made and bow at your feet by God, if you have the guts to bust demons and darkness for Christ. ultimately the victory over sin is to have a heart that is full of love, seeking the glory of the Father..'),(1473,'RMunyui@kplc.co.ke',2361,1404140569,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Robert Munyui Kamunyu\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nTHE BUTCHERS OF WOMANHOOD -FGM  PROSTITUTION ON WOMANHOOD  BY PARENTS \r\nWhen God told Abraham to sign the covenant of the flesh, he circumcised all the male children and he was\r\ncircumcised. The message was direct and in  plain language. GENESIS 17: 1-27. The\r\nagreement was strategically initiated and the male child grew beholding daily\r\nhis agreement with God at every call of nature throughout his married life. The covenant of the flesh for a man is with ease to behold with no ill feelings or regrets.\r\nWhen God told Moses that the Children of Israel shall not circumcise their\r\ngirls, the message was given in a spiritual language and bore two warnings. The\r\nIsraelis parents shall not sexually mutilate their daughters and fathers were\r\ncommanded not have carnal knowledge (incest) of their daughters making them\r\nprostitutes. Fgm is a satanic sacrifice to a girl child of secrecy with miseries and constrains of disgrace to behold.\r\n Girls who face the evil cut become prostitutes  sadly without her consent on alter of Satan		\r\nwhich pollutes the land. The evil cutting is done in honor of the dead.\r\nLeviticus 19:28-29. This type of prostitution cannot be cleansed by\r\nmarriage. She bought her prostitution with her flesh, bone and blood on alter of\r\nSatan while still In her flower age when facing all forces of evils  under her parental care. Unless she gets\r\nsaved (call upon the blood of CHRIST to cleanse her.John3:16-18, Isaiah1:18)\r\nshe shall go to her grave a prostitute. Thus there were no sexual mutilations\r\namong the Israelis women. The Girl child was bought up in divine order leaving\r\nthe petals and stay of love intact for a beloved wise husband core co-benefits.\r\nShe remained a spring shut up and a blessed fountain sealed in divine state.\r\nSong of Solomon 4:12, Proverbs 5:18-19. \r\n                   By instinct man  lands at the garden\r\nof love and joy to prop it up at Divine state. The Israelis brethren\r\nnever married from alters of Satan. Israelis women remained lively and\r\ndelivered goodly children easily a state known to Pharaoh. Exodus 1:1 5-22. \r\nThat knowledge on the difference between a circumcised woman and a woman who\r\nhad not faced the evil cut was exploited by the Hebrew Midwives, Shiphrah and\r\nPuah as their reason for saving the men children alive contrary to the King of\r\nEgypt instructions for their ultimate death at birth for they were easily delivered for the  Israeli women were lively.  Pharaoh was aware\r\nthat the Egyptians women went through Pharaonic circumcision or infibulations\r\nand the difficulties they faced in delivering children were known to him thus\r\nhe agreed with the midwives’ answer. God has promised our beloved sisters save\r\nchild delivery in their divine active lively state.. 1Timothy 2: 15 .Girls who have  the evil cut cannot pass the\r\nthreshold of Divine virginity since they sacrificed their fresh, soft bones and to demonic\r\nworld. Their virginity in marriage is according to satanic standards since they\r\nhave been defiled with humanity demonic practices. God has never described virginity for girl child  under the knife. All traditional women\r\ncircumciser die poor since  Satan keep them poor to their trade. The girl child\r\nholds no battle field of faith in her defiled crippled sexual state. She is\r\nsexually excavated, sexually muted and sexually crippled. Girls who face\r\nthe evil cut are leftovers from the alter of Satan and for a man marrying her\r\nis equal to sharing a wife with Satan unless she get saved. Man takes the marriage supper the left\r\nover from the alter of Satan us the dictate of demonic cultures. FGM is a\r\nform of partial castration for a womanhood. Man is commanded by GOD to give his\r\nwife her conjugal rights and also the woman to the same for its a shared\r\njoy. 1Corithians 1:1-4. FGM  is the undeserved and the unnecessary  worst evil committed on a  girl child by her own parents when her fleshy coals are sacrificed to Satan .How can a sexually mutilated woman deliver  joy in Divine state to her husband while sexual joy was denied and  removed from her\r\nin FGM.\r\n                 Circumcision in man does not destroy his body integrity and  his sexual ability remains unaltered.\r\nIn Church of Christ, ever where parents force their daughters to face the\r\nevil cut, the parents having given the devil the first sacrifice should not be\r\nashamed to remove the blanket of etiquette and prepare their daughters to play\r\nwives (incest) to their husbands to give the devil a complete sacrifice.\r\nIt is not a greater evil than the first sacrifice. FGM is an insult and assault to womanhood.  Let them pride\r\nthemselves in complete evil. The petals and stay of love are left strewn at\r\nalters of Satan. The sparkles of love cannot be rekindles. In natural world a door is provided for knocking before entering and an aerial is provided for effective communication so is the same for a girl child. Prostitutes made by parents in FGM are honored. Us no man can miss the mouth even when eating in total darkness, so shall man falter in search of the marital coals removed in sexual mutilation how foolish he is. FGM  keeps man out natural way of life in marriage .Song of Solomon 2:6-7.\r\n            Parents who perform FGM are sources of families instabilities and of  great evils to  the land.\r\nFGM lay social foundations for unstable marital live. Parents  are highly\r\nentrenched in prostitution with their girl child.  When in demonic world parents say fgm make a girl child clean  , God says she defiled and made a prostitute. Ironically these parents are\r\nactive in the Church who shoulder burdens for the church but with continuous\r\nunresolved marital problems a dilemma to the clergy. They are workers of\r\nSatan who have camouflaged as believers in the Church of Christ. How do they\r\ndiffer from magicians and witches? FGM is the parental satanic  sexual sacrifice , assault, insult and  abuse  to a girl child sexual integrity. They pollute the land in prostitution and\r\nthe land becomes full of all evils. How can a father be obsessed with the\r\nsexual organ of his daughter as a bearer of holiness in mutilated state? It\r\nis hypocritical for him to be in a place where GOD is worshiped. Why\r\nshould parents be obsessed to place the family uprightness and the\r\ncountry holiness in the mutilated sex organ of their girl child? After FGM is done ,the girl child is highly esteemed and it is  a demonic cover up of the plight of evils done. \r\n             Can a girl child  with stolen  childhood and womanhood find love in her parents in subjecting her to unjust FGM?. It all boils down to social rottenness that require Divine spiritual intervention. Clergy ought teach and preach the truth and hold parents accountable to irresponsible injustice committed against their daughter in FGM.  It is awkward that laws are enacted to\r\nstop parents from performing FGM. Men and women of upright minds come together to stop atrocities done to a\r\ngirls child by her very  own parents, Un issue parents would have abandoned  on learning  the suffering girls go through in fgm and after fgm. Instead of her finding parental love and care, she is ushered into brutality against her very womanhood. FGM has been used as an instrument disciplined measure against women by sexually crippling them against perceived climes they have never committed. If FGM install holiness in women as paramount foundation for a holy life before\r\nmarriage and in marriage, then there would never be any  divorce in marriages where\r\nwomen have undergone FGM. This notion stipulate the mutilated sex organ of a\r\nwoman as centre of holiness and un institution of worship since in it mutilated state chastity can be delivered. It would mean men loosing self holiness in\r\nGod and having secondary holiness in God received from mutilated sex organ of a\r\nwoman there by making the sex of a woman a centre of worship. This is demonic\r\nway of thinking  and practice in life. FGM has zero benefit for a man and a woman.  FGM suppresses the  libido for  which can never be  regained in marriage .She is not adventurous in sexual relationship and the man takes the marriage supper under dark  rules set to hind her shortcoming in dreaded love affairs. She cannot be Eve in garden of Eden for the man. The husband remain an instrument of torture in her married life. FGM increases incidences  of cesarean and fistula complications at birth. Marital freedom is denied .It makes a woman a land without fence and a well without a cover. FGM opens without mercy  hell on earth for a girl child which is a wakeup call for all brave and wise men to fight FGM.. FGM belittle wisdom. It is a barbaric culture imposed on womanhood by parents and the society at large .Song of Solomon 4:12\r\n               It  is evident FGM put God at faults for\r\nproviding a girl child with an active sexual organ. They view the  active sexual organ of\r\na girl child in its Divine active state as evil and a  source of immorality. Redemption and salvation for\r\nthemselves is crafted by sexually crippling the girl child in FGM whereby they\r\nsacrifice  the girl  child sexual organ to Satan in the name of morality for God.\r\nLeviticus 19:28-29. By uplifting the sexual organ of a girl child as pillar of\r\nmorality in defiled mutilated state shift the blame game to the sexual organ of\r\na girl child as a source of immorality in a community hence all brutalities\r\ndirect against the girl child in all forms of FGM. The blame game is directed\r\nagainst God for providing her with un active sexual organ thus they chop her sexual organ to their taste to make her a sexual mute. She live with stolen childhood and womanhood the lest of her lifetime.\r\nThis defeat any sense of humanity in them. It is cruelty on a girl child at\r\nalter of family and community social holiness from demonic world. FGM was\r\nauthored in Egypt by Pharaoh as Satanic sacrifice to increase pain and wailing in child birth as a Satanic\r\nsacrifice. The fleshy sexual coals are\r\nexcavated leaving her frigid and rocky thus denying her for live time Divine\r\nmarital gift which she requires in\r\nmarriage for a lively marital relationship with her husband. How stupid a man\r\nmay be, by instinct a man will falter in search of the fleshy coals \r\nremoved in FMG thus leaving him at moral loose for unfulfilled marital\r\nachievement . The fleshy coals are provided for the benefit of marriage life. 1Corithians7: 9. The\r\nfleshy coals helps a woman in marriage to lock in emotionally with her husband\r\nin a cordial marital relationship.\r\n                  It is quite evident parents are under cultural moral slavery siege and ready to sacrifice\r\ntheir daughters to FGM at demonic alter of cultures for community social\r\nacceptance but they are an eye sore before God for performing this type of prostitution . FGM is more of rottenness of mans’ morals as the head of the family. How would parents commit their daughters to FGM so us someone\r\ncan have food for the mouth calling it their trade of life? How could someone\r\nsay it was done in honor of religion where God is mentioned and the clergy\r\nexist? How will  girls  ever be compensated after the evil  trade of forced FGM is abandoned.\r\n Parents and the clergy should know that the mutilated sex\r\norgans remain and the wounded soul and spirit cry to God Almighty. Many parents\r\nare still stuck in wilderness of demonic cultures though in institutions of\r\nGodly worship. Even  from time of old  women can perform all types of evils counting on their husbands’ support.  Israelis  women in  the Bible told Jeremiah the Prophet that the sacrifices they offered to queen of heaven they did so with the support and knowledge of their husbands.  Jeremiah 44:19 Even today women who  force their daughters to undergo  FGM count on their husbands full support. They confirm their husbands are part of Satanic sacrifice performed on their daughters in FGM when they disregard Godly advice and truth concerning fgm. It is the time parental love and care are nonexistent as the girl child is raised on  alter of Satan for fgm for demonic morality chastity with full parental honor and the pleas by young girls for justice  fall to deaf ears. The coveted  cultural benefits and rights in FGM are left  with the parents  as the girl child is merchandized at the altar of Satan leaving her  empty handed bearing all adverse severe effects and defects  in her body and spirit for a life time. For how long will parents hold this form  of prostitution dear to their bosom for earthly respect ,honor and social acceptance? Is it that before God parents are not aware they are in prostitution with their daughters in fgm or they are stiff necked? The earth is drenched  in pollution with the  innocent blood of young  girls and the seed of terror of evils  is planted and  established. \r\n Who will pull out parents stuck in the wilderness of 	\r\ndemonic cultures with love and care? FGM is in the bosoms of parents and the\r\ncommunity at large. It all boils down to communities social rottenness. The battle\r\nfields of double faiths range in their hearts and they fail terribly to test of\r\nfaith in God. \r\n                   GOD is not a respecter of persons and you cannot\r\nmodify evils committed by parents to less evils to look upright. No form of FGM is\r\nacceptable . To think you can subject girls to less invasive form of FGM is\r\nspiritually not acceptable . Where Men\r\ncircumcision involves removal of a fold of the fore skin, FGM involves massive dense muscles with high concentration\r\nof sensitive net work of nerves and soft\r\nbone removal. Her bone is left in the air to dry like dead  wood. This is not circumcision. It is Sexual excavation. Circumcision involves cutting round a fore skin in man. Which man would ever leave part of his bone cut  to dry in the air like dead wood? After FGM there are no bows left  for man to hold.  Song of Solomon 7:8  .NO blood should be spilt in FGM. Leviticus 19:28-29. God purposed\r\na woman to enjoy sex in marriage. No human being should play God to her life.\r\nSong of Solomon 2:2-5. Sexual joy is Divine given to her and parents have no\r\nrights in sexually crippling her in\r\nFGM. Do not give parents a soft landing ground in their evils adventures by making them\r\nacceptable social criminals. The youths of today face great moral social battle against FGM which is a must win goal since they are blessed and enlightened with abundant interactive active knowledge concerning ills of FGM. They must not allow themselves to be engulfed in a cocoon of suffering. \r\n                FGM is a cultural faith moral issue.  It is the deadly beastly yoke of Satan on womanhood.  Satan activities have camouflaged themselves as Godly believers among believers telling them they assist them in holiness in FGM. FGM is  the annual mass sacrifice done by parents to Satan for his glorification. In demonic world they claim FGM make a girl child clean but God says she defiled and made a prostitute sadly without her consent. Can parents take heed to Godly advice and do away with generation to generation prostitution in fgm?  If we have to stop FGM it cannot be based only on negative side effects inherited by FGM. Since it is a faith issue\r\none can decide to live bearing all sufferings that come with FGM. It is known\r\neven clinically trained personnel perform FGM with full background firsthand knowledge of all\r\nsufferings and shortcoming  associated with FGM. They are\r\nwell paid by those who hunger and thirst to satisfy\r\nthey cultural based faith attachment in FGM even contrary to moral standards\r\nof Godly believers. When FGM is involved\r\n,God is of secondary important to them. It is the time Satan is Supreme in their lives when all\r\ndemonic forces raise against the girl child. The clergy have more work to do in\r\npreaching having to bring parents and young men on board to the full knowledge\r\nof the Word of God. Young men know God\r\ntold Moses in Spiritual language that FGM is a Satanic sacrifice for non \r\nbelievers hidden and preserved in parenthood for acceptance. Leviticus 19:28-29. Young men if you are presented with a\r\nvirgin sexually mutilated without the sparkle of love and a virgin who has her divine splendor of her sex\r\norgan intact, who would you choose a wife having stood the test of faith in\r\nGodly manner? The clergy cannot live\r\nas though no Satanic sacrifices are performed on the girl child in FGM.  In FGM the marriage bed is defiled .Young\r\nmen have full reality faith in Godly\r\nthat you share a wife with Satan in FGM.\r\nYou cannot serve God and demons together. The choose is in your heart. Choose\r\nwisely.\r\n                In Church of Christ, let fathers not exercise the terror of silence and stand up\r\nfor the divine rights of their daughters in marriage. Parents owe their sons in laws\r\nlifetime gratitude for agreeing to marry their daughters whom they sexually\r\nassaulted and sexually crippled. God has never asked parents to sexually\r\ncripple their daughters so as to remain virgins and holly. Is holiness attained\r\nby sexually crippling a girl child acceptable to God’s purposes for her live\r\ndestiny entity? No. There is holiness that pertains to children of God. Fgm is direct assault and insult to her real womanhood.\r\nThe sex organ of a girl child cannot be manipulated through sexual mutilations\r\nas a gate way for man to heaven. Parents owe their daughters a life time\r\napology for their inhuman acts which robbed them their divine marital gifts.\r\nParents who force their daughters to undergo FGM exercise the most Dignified\r\nUnreserved Beastly Cultural Atrocities on the girl\r\nchild with man child at the receiving end as beneficially.FGM remain  the most horrible evil coveted  by some  parents  with full support of some grandparents and aunts. Proverbs14:1-2. A foolish woman destroys\r\nher own house with her own hands. Let parents face the truth and know they have evil thoughts against their girl child in FGM and they are terribly wrong .In the spirit world parents spy their daughters and are envious of their marital bed thus they raid the marriage court in fgm acts. They view their daughters us sexually wild and immoral children who  have to be tamed  to gain  moral control over their bodies in fgm where God has never subjected mankind holiness under the Knife. But who is weak?  Men or women.  Is the immorality one sided based on women among themselves only? Is the girl child sexually immoral to herself?  Who is fooling who? FGM is the  highest unjust sacrifice  involving blood ,flesh and bone to Satan which tie parents more to demonic world. In FGM, parents are a curse to a nation. In fgm parents craft and draw  holiness for themselves and for  the whole family together with the community from fgm thus they  cleanse and protect  themselves from immoralities in the blood of their daughters.  The burden of  family and the community holiness  is pegged  and delivered from the mutilated sex organ of a girl child .It is a demonic way  of life. This pertain to human sacrifice to satan.\r\n           It is hypocritical  and mockery for parents in Church of Christ to spend their early marriage life in double standards  life to perpetuate FGM and live in their  twilight years as devoted loving caring parents having soiled their hands with the blood of their daughters in a well intended  time staged managed shedding of\r\nblood and flesh of their daughters in FGM in early marriage life  as she wade through the  jungle  of life for demonic  chastity sacrifice acceptance . Parents pride themselves in FGM for tearing down the defense and fences of the marriage court a sacrifice to Satan.  But GOD can never be mocked.  Some men force their daughters to undergo FGM under their mothers’ pressure forgetting there are no curses for those in Christ Jesus. Galatians3:10-14, Proverb\r\n26:1-2. It  is quite evident parents are under cultural moral slavery siege\r\nand ready to sacrifice their daughters to FGM at alter of demonic\r\ncultures for community social acceptance.FGM is the historical prostitution and plunder of womanhood bound in cultural respect and honor. Evil committed by parents cannot be justified by existent of time done.\r\nCan a man kneel before\r\nGod and support FGM. It is awkward to hear men say what is good for a\r\nwoman and not say what God say is good for a woman and him. It seems some\r\nmen want to craft a way of life  from the sex organ of women for themselves in name of purity for  God. When God told\r\nMoses that the Israelis fathers shall not subject their daughters to FGM in\r\nhonor of the dead or have sex with them, He did not leave any form of FGM \r\nfor a girl child. To suggest there can be mild form of FGM is not acceptable\r\nbefore God. Leviticus 19:28-29. FGM is the annual mass satanic sacrifice done by parents. Once the blood of a girl child is shed in FGM\r\nthe land is polluted and the country becomes full of all evils. If men have no respect for\r\nthe complex delicate sex organ which is the sanctuary of marriage which their long for and  deliver them to this world, how will they have mercy\r\nfor one another even where they have common faith? \r\n             When the earth is fully polluted in FGM, at a point in\r\nlife ,men turn the country a slaughter house for one another and the\r\ncommunities at large. The seed of all evils is planted and watered by parents. Men can overturn the suffering girls go through in FGM over night when they are not habitually cheated on issues concerning  FGM. They will  take a  firm stand knowing  girls atrocities  in FGM resulting in a  flood gate of life of sufferings is not their joy and benefit by refusing  sharing wives with Satan in FGM which rob her the coals of love. Men must understand and know that  FGM is a respected high order of satanic  prostitution done by parents with honor when coals of love are sacrificed to Satan. No trade can exist without customers. When men have true caring love and  holy concern for our beloved sisters, Satanic  parental generations prostitution sacrifices in FGM will be an issue in the forgotten past. Men ought to know and understand  that in FGM  the devil has invaded the sanctuary of marriage and defiled the fountain. Let your fountain be blessed, cushy  and the King of marriage is fully anointed.  Let not your fountain be a fountain of terror and  horror. Youth should enter marriage with their full  bodies integrities intact as virgins of the Lord,1 Corinthians7:36.  Which man would not like to have a happy and  glorious wife beside him bound together in perfect true  love? That bundle cannot be separated. Provebrs5:18-19. Men bear the automate change over. Amen.\r\nHow would parents commit\r\ntheir daughters to FGM so us someone can have food for the mouth calling it\r\ntheir trade of life? How could someone say it was done in honor of religion\r\nwhere God is mentioned and the clergy exist? How will ever be girls \r\ncompensated who are forced to FGM in their flower age after abandoning\r\nthe evil trade? Parents and the clergy should know that the mutilated\r\ninjured girls remain and the wounded souls and spirit cry to Almighty God. Many\r\nparents are still stuck in wilderness of demonic cultures though in\r\ninstitutions of Godly worship. Who will pull out parents stuck in the\r\nwilderness of demonic cultures with love and care? FGM is in the bosoms\r\nof parents and the community at large. It all boils down to communities social\r\nrottenness. The battle fields of double faiths range in their hearts and they\r\nfail terribly to test of faith in God. Can parents be so cruel and evil minded to perform FGM in name of morality in GOD? FGM is the past generations form of prostitution on womanhood with respect , honor and rewards.  Let us  have fathers who can stand for\r\nGod with their families when the lest rebel against God. Joshua 24:14-15 \r\n                 The greatest force behind FGM are fathers and young men. It is heart\r\nbreaking to hear women say if it were not of demands by fathers and young\r\nmen behind the sin they will not do it. In FGM parents break the spiritual and physical  integrity well being of their daughters. It is all known some men dare not speak against FGM for it propel\r\nthem to political powers. The parents and the whole families political votes are dear to\r\nthem thus they centre themselves un champion of  FGM as a cultural heritage. Their political powers\r\nare fueled by blood and flesh of young girls thus weakening laws passed to ban\r\nFGM. The young girls fate hang out of balance since she cannot count on rescue\r\neven from her dear brothers. Her fate is sealed by those who thirst and hunger  for her\r\nflesh and blood for the injustice of the beloved parents is awful cruel. It is in the  hour of need a father turns a cold shoulder to his girl child and  commit her to Satan in  fgm.  The girl child lives with unresolved burning self reserved  resentments against her parents  but all they see is well to their eyes. The dark embarrassing day of losing her womanhood in FGM remains vivid to her mind. Parents will have their daughters physically but emotionally detached from them in their old age a dilemma and a surprise to them. Their silent heart acre of lack of mutual trust between their daughters will go down to their old age. A  great social rift is emerging among the youth and old generation based on increased abundant interactive active knowledge on whole issues based on FGM with youth calling for social justice. Youths are on a race against time whether to subject their marriages to generations prostitution  in FGM.  Parents can socially lose their children in their old age with phenomenal of being neglected by their children becoming more apparent.\r\n. FGM condemns a girl child to a life time of sexual slavery. This is the misery bestowed upon her by her parents in honor of the dead.\r\nParents pride themselves in FGM since they receive their communities social\r\nrecognitions and acceptance at a price of permanently sexually deforming\r\ntheir girls in FGM which they can view in a mirror. Parents are in Sodom of their own even in places of\r\nworship. \r\n                     Laws to ban FGM may not eliminate FGM since it can be done clinically\r\nat home. Parents require deliverance of their souls and spirit to God.\r\nIn their liberated hearts they will not suffer any loose for abandoning FGM\r\nfor their trust in God is paramount. God Himself told Moses that the Israelis\r\nfathers shall not subject their daughters to FGM in honor of the dead or\r\nhave sex with them making them prostitutes. Leviticus 19:28-29. FGM is a\r\nSatanic sacrifice involving blood, soft bone and flesh and parents are more bonded to\r\ndemonic world by sacrificing their girl child in FGM . The seed of evils is planted, watered and guarded by parents in joy. Let all Children of\r\nAbraham by faith face the  full reality of the demands in their faith in God.\r\nGod bless you all united against this demonic cultural practice called FGM, a hard nut to crack preserved and hidden in parenthood for acceptance. It is the time the promises in fgm die out and the  demonic world open its’  gates  wide for the girl child and closes its’  gates behind her back as she leaves the alter of Satan empty handed for the rest of her  life time. Can the young men and girls muscle enough  will power and  do away with FGM forced down their lives by the old generation? Yes, they can since they are  strong with an open mind. They have the divine provision of a happy marriage within their reach. Their marriage belong to them and  not to their parents. Your  obedience  stays within the practices of Godly confined boundaries. God says you are strong and you can overcome the wicked one. 1 john2:14\r\n                In Church of Christ, men should stop counting their up hold to\r\nspiritual holiness in reverence to a defiled sexually mutilated sex organ of a\r\nwoman. Some men say when women are sexually crippled, men and women remain\r\nfaithful but to who? Which men are sexually crippled for women to remain holy?\r\nIs the sexual organ of a woman an institution of worship for men? GOD IS HOLLY.\r\nMen shouldn’t have defiled faith in God based on crippled sexual organ of a\r\nwoman. Men should love God with a pure heart. The sexual organ of a woman is\r\nnot a stay to his faith in his God. Should a man share a wife with the\r\ndevil? FGM is ill tagged as a benefit to a man child by those who\r\nperpetuate this demonic sacrifice. Men who view their holiness in God through the mutilated sexual organ of a woman put their faith in God to demonic practices. FGM is a Satanic sacrifice imposed on womanhood by men behind the sin for selfish eroded gratification.  Culturally women who had gone FGM as they\r\npassed child bearing age and hung up the ploughs, the old man would marry\r\nanother young woman who had gone FGM referred to us the wife of his old age\r\nwith desires to have children. No eyes blow were raised against her  by the\r\nother wives since they understood their frigid  sexual rocky morbid state. They were not a joy to have as wives in their  old age . Love to\r\nthem was  like surgery awake and they acknowledged the sexually active state of their husband. It was a time their husband was like a sexual beast to them. They sexually off loaded themselves through the young wife  of his old aged thus shifting the burden of the curse to the young woman. Parents who perform FGM are a curse to their children and the country not because they have pronounce a curse upon them but they are curse before God to their children and the country for the demonic act in fgm. Where  uncircumcised woman is married to a polygamous marriage of circumcised women, they vehemently call for her  circumcision since she is like a magnet to their husband. They need him less of her.\r\n               If a man has to be circumcised in the Church of Christ, he\r\nshould join our sisters in spiritual circumcision for all that is salvation.\r\nColossians 2: 8-12. Roman2:28-29. Can a wise man pride himself before God\r\ncounting the benefits of marrying a prostitute? In Church of Christ, only\r\nuncultured men in Godly practices, uncouth, no witty and demonic sadist will\r\napplaud sexual mutilation of young girls.\r\nLeviticus 19:28-29. FGM is the perennial curse for the girl child and the\r\nland. The land is polluted and all evils come to the nation.FGM defeat any\r\nGodly purpose for it . Can any clergy support FGM? Only\r\nthose taught by apostles and ministers of Satan can support FGM. FGM exercise the most Dignified Unreserved Beastly Cultural Atrocities on womanhood  which is the deadly yoke of Satan hidden in parenthood for demonic chastity acceptance. \r\nCorinthians11:13-15. NO FGM WITH GOD .When \r\nfaithful Abraham the father of faith was commanded by God to be\r\ncircumcised at 99 years old with his son Ishmael at thirteen years old, he obeyed\r\nGod. Sarah and Hagar were not circumcised or any girl child since there is no women circumcision with God. It was a clear\r\ninstruction and Abraham obeyed Jehovah God instructions to the letter. GENESIS\r\n17: 1-27. \r\nParents only way out of this\r\ndemonic trap is to reconcile back to God together with their daughters by\r\nasking for unreserved forgiveness and get saved. Since in fgm  the   girl child is sacrificed in historical generation to generation  prostitution and plunder on womanhood bound in cultural respect and honor  for the man child evil conceived none existent concealed benefits ,the man child  ought to be brought in the front  line to fights fgm empowered with full knowledge of all ills involved in  fgm.  The life time miseries  the girl child goes through in fgm is not a gift to a man child. Come and  be renewed at the throne of grace for  Christ is full of love and mercy for your sanctification and redemption.   The cradle of hope in Christ radiates the inner person who cannot be deformed. Let the abundant love of Christ prevail in your  life. His unfailing  grace is sufficient for your  triumph future without compromise. The Church is cleansed and restored.\r\nLove covers multitudes of sins and weakness . Jehovah God break the yoke of Satan in FGM at family pillars.\r\n GOD OUTLAWED FGM WHICH\r\nWAS FORBIDDEN AND WRITTEN IN SPIRITUAL LANGUAGE. Leviticus 19:28-29.  The message is freely given\r\npurely to the body of JESUS CHRIST worldwide.\r\n\r\nBy Br. Robert Munyui Kamunyu.'),(1474,'retiredsp@comcast.net',2372,1404615265,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Keith\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nperhaps, if you were educated enough and felt so inclined, would have explained to those to citizens, that but for the \"brash\" Americans, they\'d still be getting hauled off to Nazi work camps...they are welcome. And you should be too!'),(1475,'retiredsp@comcast.net',2373,1404615265,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Keith\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nwhat, is \"ironic\" about it? I must remind you all, if you are in fact true believers and not simply, religious followers, that some mighty smart folk whose faith was much more devote than most \"Christians\" today, felt darn sure God BLESSED us with these United States and freedom and continued to bless us as a republic, until \"free thinkers\" such as I am reading from here, felt it \"American\" to remove many of the things that drew together and strong enough association to fight for and secure independence.......you people are sincerely missing the mark, as is this woman.....air force huh......'),(1476,'doms_bakk@hotmail.com',2223,1404615322,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Dominic\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nPlatonism is dualistic and Christianity isn\'t?\r\nSatan keeping the souls of the condemned in Hell?\r\nFaith in Christ is necessary for salvation while disbelief is condemned?'),(1477,'songofpraisemd2@yahoo.co.uk',2250,1404615322,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Melody Young\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI just came across this article, and much of what you say resonates with me.  I have in fact written, then deleted, blog-posts exposing \"spiritual abuse\" that I have encountered.  I left a church in the UK because of what I would call \"heavy shepherding\" and I have dealt with what I term \"bullying\" from a family member in the name of God.  I have not been able to keep those blog-posts I wrote up because I have either been intimidated out of it, OR more recently, because in the process of dealing with the abuses of (perceived) authority, I have come to understand my own responsibility in the problem, and that those who hurt me are human beings and need a chance to grow without things out on the internet that could condemn them.  I was \"lucky\" because what I have experienced was mild compared to the sexual abuse and spiritual abuses many others have suffered and been victimized by in circles to which I have also belonged.  \r\n\r\nThat is not to minimize the very real harm to my spiritual life that I am still dealing with.\r\n\r\nMy issue currently is not whether or not abusers will ever repent, but more, how do we as the Body protect ourselves from abuse, and how do we advocate for personal responsibility rather than abdicate authority over ourselves to those who \"know\" the Scriptures better than we do?  I believe strongly that we must educate ourselves and check out what the Word of God actually says regardless of who teaches it to us.\r\n\r\nMy journey has been different to others.  There are a lot of hurting people out there who will hear what I am saying as blame, because we always blame the victim in our society.  I\'m just trying to work things out in my life vis a vis forgiveness and truth.  There are many triggers for all of us.  \r\n\r\nWhat I find hardest to deal with though is those who entirely deny any existence of spiritual abuse, or who demand a show of full forgiveness or forgetfulness/silence when there hasn\'t even been full repentance.  \r\n\r\nExcuse my ramblings, but your article triggered much in me that I have been unable to articulate for a variety of reasons.  I hope we can all learn and grow in grace and truth as the Body of Christ.  Perhaps that is the most encouraging thing that can come out of this for me:  I am learning to speak my mind.'),(1478,'thereformedthinker@hotmail.com',2292,1404615323,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi The Reformed Thinker\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nTo the contrary, given RHE\'s track record, I cannot go along with this recommendation. I have not read the book, nor do I plan to. Having said that, there was a very thorough review done of this book over at Amazon.com by Sarah Flashing. (Aside from that, I was hoping to see one from Tim Challies since he has an incredibly voracious appetite for reading, but I did not see one. Given what he\'s posted in the past on , I don\'t think he would have recommended it either.)\r\n\r\nThen there is this review over at CBMW, which exposes RHE\'s complete lack of understanding Scriptural hermeneutics when she penned this book: http://cbmw.org/book-reviews/a-year-of-biblical-womanhood-by-rachel-held-evans/\r\n\r\nTRT'),(1479,'tupperjenn@gmail.com',2287,1404615323,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi TuppJenn\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI really like your thoughts on Mary.  I totally agree, she was a fighter.  On another note, where did you find that picture?  I think it\'s an icon, but from where?'),(1480,'Companioning4u@yahoo.com',2259,1404615323,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Marcella\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nVery helpful, Bob. This will be useful with my spiritual companioning (\"spiritual direction\" without dogma) clients. Grabbing the URL to share. Thank you for sharing your thoughts here!'),(1481,'venus99@juno.com',2221,1404615324,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Donna Mills\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nI think anything that questions the \'official\' version of the life and purpose of the \'our Lord Jesus\' merits attention and careful consideration. The Church state is a hypocrisy and subject to much discrepancy at best. And, as much as I would like to practice and believe in the \'Holy Scriptures\', I find it more plausible believing in the Sumerian texts information, a much earlier version that predates the original Hebrew Bible canon; and on that note, I certainly find it beneath anyone with as much as even an average functioning brain to accept the KJV of Christianity that so many of us were indoctrinated to accept growing up in Western society. Well, that is my thoughts about it. \r\nThank you,\r\nDM\r\nLos Angeles, Ca'),(1482,'princess1027.CW@yahoo.com',4808,1422914691,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi chasity wilson\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nthx so much ik how it feels to be through adoption centers and been in foster home in 2015 im 11 years old and i never seen my real mom'),(1483,'bouncysparklyjoy@gmail.com',5073,1435020476,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi LIndsey\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nJonathan, I\'m sorry to hear you feel so misunderstood- I know how frustrating that can be, on a smaller scale. I want to tell you that I was rubbed- mildly- the wrong way by some of the same phrases others have mentioned. I was not convinced that there was any problem in your thinking or intent by what you originally wrote... but I was by your response to criticism. Based on your comment above, I\'m again inclined to think I misunderstood, but I think it\'s important for you to understand that you are contributing to that misunderstanding. Many of your responses above have appeared to me to be rather defensive, a la \"That\'s not what I said/meant.\" It would help me immensely, if you would explain what you were getting at in these statements that others have taken issue with. We all get misunderstood at times- all the more so over text, and further when addressing issues that are provokative and emotional. Would you kindly take another stab at explaining your meaning?'),(1484,'jb@thriven.org',5074,1435021649,'Thank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine','Hi Jonathan Brink\r\n\r\nThank you for your comment at Provoketive Magazine (http://provoketive.com). We’re creating a space of rich conversation about life, faith, justice and culture without judgment. Our desire is to provoke the reader’s imagination through conversation and open up spaces of dialogue, learning, and hope.  We want to invite you to come back soon and continue to participate in the conversation. \r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nJonathan Brink\r\nProvoketive Magazine\r\n\r\nYou posted the following comment:\r\n---------------------------------\r\nLindsey,\n\nI\'ve actually put to this to rest.  My original intent was to respond with a different post, but I have never found the right words to address both what was on my heart, and the push back I received from the post.   This piece begins with the basic assumption that men are already in power in the church. The primary pushback was against that. It assumes men are in control. That\'s just a fact. It doesn\'t make it right.  And that was the risk of stating that fact.  It appeared that I was validating it, when I wasn\'t.  \n\nAnd Provoketive as a medium is now retired. I\'m okay with it.  I\'ve been misunderstood many times before, and it won\'t be the last.');
